bocadillo
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If you were to look back to the match and post-match threads for his first few games, I am sure that you would find a lot of doubt being expressed about Iborra and his performances.
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If you were to look back to the match and post-match threads for his first few games, I am sure that you would find a lot of doubt being expressed about Iborra and his performances.
Iborra was poor in his first two games. He played well in his third and fourth games. So he didn't need long at all. Silva has already played in three games.
bocadillo
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Iborra had no first team games between 8th May and 19th September.
It's not like Silva's been injured and unable to train. The question is how long will it take him to adjust to English football, rather than how long he went without competitive games.
popillius
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Silva looked much tidier in the second half. A few examples of some lack of control here or there (because of which he showed signs of frustration, which I like) but he certainly looked a better player for the second 45 and hopefully he will grow into that position. I think Iborra, although a calming influence in the midfield, may struggle against teams that play with high intensity so rotation is going to be key.
popillius
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Just watching Chelsea Vs Norwich. Another penalty turned down by VAR which was farcical. It was as clear as day and a blatant penalty. Not only did VAR not work in awarding it but the referee booked Willian for diving! Have a look at it if you haven't seen it and get the chance, it's a disgrace.
It worked for the offside yesterday but I think it has now failed for 2 penalty appeals and a possible line call.
It worked for the offside yesterday but I think it has now failed for 2 penalty appeals and a possible line call.
jb5000
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Can't agree. They've shown three angles, from in front of William it looks like a penalty, from the side it looks 50/50, from behind (the ref's view too) it looks a blatant dive.
He seems to have lost control a bit with the second red though
Robin127
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Due to it being a ref who makes the calls using VAR it looks like the decisions are going to be just as controversial as they were without.
popillius
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The commentators and all four pundits were unanimous in calling it a stone wall penalty whilst branding the VAR system as 'useless' if it isn't going to change decisions such as that. It is as clear as day that Willian is tripped. There is no justification for that not to be given.
I'm not blaming the ref - his view may well have been obscured. I'm blaming the idiot at the VAR screen who doesn't make the right call.
Blaarev
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Haven’t seen the situation, but what is the big problem of the VAR «idiot» getting it wrong? There will always be situations that will be controversial and difficult to give an excact and correct verdict on without looking over the situation a thousand times from multiple angles and in slo-mo. Of course the VAR won’t be able to do that unless the games are going to last for hours. Our VAR goal and the other situations in our game where VAR was used are good examples of how VAR can be used in a good manner. If it can be used that way it’s a step in the right directon. We will have to live with that there still will be controversial situations where the VAR gets it wrong. The upside of that is that we can still argue about those in the pub or be angry on footy forums.
It's a new system (for us) so I'd expect it to take some time to adjust, bed in and be accepted. There could well be a misunderstanding (in all quarters) of how it's supposed to work. There might be false expectations.
We've seen how it can and does work for the better. Sounds like we're seeing areas where people aren't happy with it. That oughtn't be surprising. Anything new will inevitably evoke differing opinion.
I want to do a bit of reading on when it's supposed to be used, how and when it's called upon, whether the ref can ignore/override it (or has to 'rubber stamp' it). I think if I understand better how it's supposed to work then I'll be able to form an opinion on whether I think it's working or not.
I suspect though that, as I said, nobody's really 100% sure how it's supposed to work and it'll take time for that to be ironed out.
We've seen how it can and does work for the better. Sounds like we're seeing areas where people aren't happy with it. That oughtn't be surprising. Anything new will inevitably evoke differing opinion.
I want to do a bit of reading on when it's supposed to be used, how and when it's called upon, whether the ref can ignore/override it (or has to 'rubber stamp' it). I think if I understand better how it's supposed to work then I'll be able to form an opinion on whether I think it's working or not.
I suspect though that, as I said, nobody's really 100% sure how it's supposed to work and it'll take time for that to be ironed out.
Feriol
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I think the purpose of the VAR in those instances is to reveal things that the Referee and assistants didn't see. If the referee saw that there was contact but decided not to give a penalty then the VAR gave him no new information for him to change his decision.
I'm not saying the referee made the correct call, but the VAR is a tool to be used by the referee not to overrule him, so we will still get controversial decisions.
Also since the officials will usually have a made a decision before consulting the VAR, naturally it is going to be less likely to change their minds than if they consulted it before deciding.
I'm not saying the referee made the correct call, but the VAR is a tool to be used by the referee not to overrule him, so we will still get controversial decisions.
Also since the officials will usually have a made a decision before consulting the VAR, naturally it is going to be less likely to change their minds than if they consulted it before deciding.
SJN-Fox
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Have a look here , it gives an idea of how it works ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42604127
It's a good point. Maybe VAR only disagrees with the ref where they can show categorically that the ref has made the wrong decision. It doesn't matter what the VAR ref thinks, or what decision they personally might have made, unless they can show conclusively, without it being a matter of judgement, that the ref made the wrong call then the ref's decision, no matter how many people might disagree with it, will stand. Fun this innit?
Volpone
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So is it just one guy in a studio looking at the VAR who decides? Surely they should have 3 looking at it so you get a unanimous decision one way or the other. I understand that's how they use it in Rugby Union and it seems to work very well.
camberwell fox
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Don't you get a unanimous decision with 1 then?
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