Adrien Silva

[Durham Fox]

Surely the fact we donated €30M to Sporting last year means they should at least be fair with us.

 

[big_mac4824]

I wasn't thinking this earlier. If the deal didn't get sanctioned by FIFA, is he our player? I know people have been saying he's our player but can't play until January, but is that the case? Have we actually completed the signing?

If FIFA state he is our player then we should be able to play him, if they say he is not then we should be able to loan him they can not have it both ways.

 

[Jeff]

we should be able to loan him

THE TRANSFER WINDOW HAS CLOSED, FFS.

 

[big_mac4824]

Read the whole message buffoon!

 

[fitz]

Lolz

 

[big_mac4824]

Read the whole message buffoon!

Fifa have potentially left themselves open to a visit to the courts

 

[Blaarev]

 

[bocadillo]

I wondered whether we could kill him, have him immediately reincarnated

Not possible, I'm afraid. The rules require him to be buried under a car-park until there's a y in the month.

 

[Jeff]

Read the whole message buffoon!

You think we should be able to loan him. How can we do that when the window is closed?

 

[big_mac4824]

You think we should be able to loan him. How can we do that when the window is closed?

I was pointing out that FIFA who have stopped this transfer have left themselves wide open if they say he is our player then he trains with us and plays, if they say he is not then he stays where he is and we can take legal action. If we submitted the bid on time which can be proved easily then again fifa have left themselves open to litigation.
The point is that we should have learnt our lesson last season when dealing with this chairman and closed the deal early instead we allowed Chelsea to piss us about with drinky it is a total shambles.

 

[Jeff]

If we submitted the bid on time which can be proved easily then again fifa have left themselves open to litigation.

When we submitted the bid is irrelevant. It's when the details of the transfer, including the relevant documentation, reached FIFA's TMS server. These things are time-stamped on the server. So the only way we'd have a case against FIFA is if we could prove the system was down, or the server's time was wrong.

And why did you mention a loan?
There is no way we can loan him. If you had any idea about how the transfer window works you'd know this.


I posted the rules a few days ago, maybe you should read them.

 

[give_us_a_wave]

So pretty much completely against freedom of movement and European employment law

Irrelevant. We'll soon be free of the shackles of Europe & will be free to rebuild the empire,under which we will win 3 successive world cups thanks to being freed from the influx of cheating,diving bloody foreign types who've ruined the beautiful game with their flair,passing ability,dribbling & general levels of skill. A new generation of hard running,athletic,tough tackling,honest,workmanlike English hoofers will sweep all before them. Speculative punts from the halfway line to an imposing target man will baffle & bamboozle one & all.

Thats what my mate Nigel said anyway.

He was a bit pissed though.

 

[big_mac4824]

When we submitted the bid is irrelevant. It's when the details of the transfer, including the relevant documentation, reached FIFA's TMS server. These things are time-stamped on the server. So the only way we'd have a case against FIFA is if we could prove the system was down, or the server's time was wrong.

And why did you mention a loan?
There is no way we can loan him. If you had any idea about how the transfer window works you'd know this.


I posted the rules a few days ago, maybe you should read them.

I will however if we have complied with the rules and submitted everything on time which is easily verified then FIFA stance is flawed it is pretty black and white, we either submitted on time or we did not if the latter is the answer then the board need to get a grip as it is a clock up.

 

[Jeff]

I will however if we have complied with the rules and submitted everything on time which is easily verified then FIFA stance is flawed it is pretty black and white, we either submitted on time or we did not if the latter is the answer then the board need to get a grip as it is a clock up.

FIFA know when they received the documentation, because of the time-stamp on it. I don't think they'd say they received it late if they didn't.

I agree that it's a "clock up". The club has no one to blame but themselves.

 

[big_mac4824]

FIFA know when they received the documentation, because of the time-stamp on it. I don't think they'd say they received it late if they didn't.

I agree that it's a "clock up". The club has no one to blame but themselves.

Agreed do you know if it is automatically linked or does have to be manually inputted? I take it we were waiting on Chelsea as well? I feel for the player here

 

[SilverFox]

Fifa have potentially left themselves open to a visit to the courts

Any knob head can take any other knob head to court. It doesn't mean they will succeed.

We might in this case but (I add the caveat I have read none of the papers) it seems we are properly on the back foot. Fifa are not "wide open", I suspect they don't care what contractual arrangements we have made with sporting. It is no concern to them whatsoever. Their concern is with registration. They won't be party to an agreement between us and Sporting.

The simple fact seems to be that we did not do what we needed to do in the time we had. If we therefore want special treatment we are at the discretion of a court or tribunal or whatever fecking forum the footballing world has for this.

Fifa are not however wide open, on the ropes, in trouble, or whatever other analogy you want to use. We are. Why? Because we failed to meet a deadline we could easily have met.

No one is compelled to sanction a loan. In fact the next person who says we should loan him is going to be hunted down by a contract killer I will pay for.

 

[SilverFox]

Fifa have potentially left themselves open to a visit to the courts

Did you quote yourself?

 

[SwedeFox]

I'm not a lawyer, but the idea that Silva can't participate in training sounds batshit crazy to me. It's none of FIFA's business who participates in our five-a-sides on Tuesday mornings. Must surely be our own decision.

 

[SilverFox]

I'm not a lawyer, but the idea that Silva can't participate in training sounds batshit crazy to me.

I am a lawyer and it sounds crazy to me too.

 

[Jeff]

I'm not a lawyer, but the idea that Silva can't participate in training sounds batshit crazy to me. It's none of FIFA's business who participates in our five-a-sides on Tuesday mornings. Must surely be our own decision.

I can't find anything in FIFA's rules to say that players without international clearance can't train with their new club.

If we've signed him, but don't have clearance, we can't register him as a player with the FA. So he can't play in any games (including reserve games), but that shouldn't stop him from training.

Extract from FIFA's rules: "Only registered players are eligible to participate in organised football".
So he should be able to play in disorganised football...



I suspect the current problem is that we don't want to pay his wages for four months without being able to play him, so we want him to be Sporting's player, not ours, until January. Sporting don't want him, they want the money.
If he trains with us we're effectively saying he's our player now, which will make it more difficult to send him back to Sporting. So he's in limbo until his status is sorted out. That could involve lawyers.