Discussion in 'Leicester City' started by Jeff, Sep 16, 2017.
It seems that Vardy was taken off due to a groin problem.
Where I am on this.....I don't like it but I do fear and suspect that BN and co are going to be right in the long term. But I'm glad we gave him the job, so few home grown managers get a chance after all. And I hope to goodness we don't panic and at least give him a chance to learn. As a club, to change our manager so soon would suggest we had huge delusions of grandeur. But the lack of fresh tactics and the odd nature of our signings not having an impact, and never being fully fit, is incredibly frustrating.
It's not a clubs job to facilitate a managers learning. How would it suggest that?
It may not be Shakespeare's fault. But his support of the people whose fault it was is sickening at the very least.
I wouldn't have been too upset of all of the jokers from last season moved on. The opposite of that has happened. We've given the job of manager to the players best mate and we've dished out nice big contracts. We now have the same players who gave absolutely everything they had 2 seasons ago, giving nowhere near enough now.
So we now use the benchmark of 'that season' to do comparable? We had a one off, probably never to be repeated. We are a yoyo club historically that has now been in the premier league for 4 fantastic seasons having not only managed to survive but given the most incredible journey along the way. Our target should be top 6 because I believe you should always aim for the unattainable. In reality we should all be pleased with 8-12th. Anything above that and it should be seen as a bonus. Shakespeare has done what was asked of him - last season he kept us up (easily) and this season so far we have done okish. Jesus, give the guy another 14 games and then look again unless we are nosediving. At the halfway stage a return of 25 points would be good and suggest a 50+ point finish which would be more than acceptable. If we are way off this then we may be forced into a decision but come on, give the guy some time ffs.
Or Shakey could have said - 'They are a smashing bunch of lads that can win anything, I do not need any new players'. So why move on the Beast of Big Was, excellent back-up CB? Why bring in two new CBs one of whom is now first choice starter? I say give Shakey a chance when his 'upgraded' squad is all fit and ready for selection. If in 2 months time he is still picking James and King instead of Iborra and Silva, then show him the door.
I agree with almost all of this but I think you are being a bit harsh on supply teachers. The concept of supply teachers , nurses, firemen, whatever, is normally fuelled by incredibly bad management added to funding issues, which means staffing levels and morale is usually stretched and rock bottom. Its very difficult to be a supply worker in such team situations. While LCFC cannot claim funding issues, CS, was and is a member of a poor management structure who was promoted within it.
I think the bumper contracts handed out should allow us to expect ambitions higher than just staying up. That said, id be content with seeing this season out with 40 and let the rebuild happen in the summer. We'll possibly be losing the likes of Mahrez, Vardy, Morgan etc that summer so seems a more ideal time to attract a manager than this one.
Don't disagree with any of that Fitz but our current 'bumper pay' players would probably be on an equivalent or better salary elsewhere and what we are now paying on average is, I suspect 'the going rate'.
Since when has £100,ooo/week been the 'going rate' for an average/just above average, premier league player?
I think we have the 7th highest wage bill. That should set expectations. I'd compare our start to Burnley's. Squad not nearly as talented or expensive but always look like they might nick something from a game. Win at Chelsea, a draw at Liverpool. With our wages, caliber of player, and previous success....we should expect better. We will, at very best, finish around 11th. It's not enough.
I thought I read on here that Wasilewski had become a disaster looking for somewhere to happen last season; that he always looked likely to go into the referee's book. He was only used once as a back-up last season and was sorely exposed in that game. Fuchs (not a centre-back) and Benaloune (ffs!) were preferred to him over the whole of the season. But I guess that people are asking themselves if he would have found himself in this position if Huth was fit. In fact we don't yet know whether he can be regarded as first-choice. You and I might want it to be so but CS (or Vardy, or Morgan, or perhaps Huth himself) is the one who will make the decision. I'm all for giving him the chance but he's got to take it soon.
Four points from five games (and some of the performances in those games) suggests that a 40-point finish will not be that easy to achieve.
Thank **** we don't play Arsenal, Man U & Chelsea every frigging week then.
Sorry I stopped reading at the bit about Was being an excellent back up CB.
He looked a bit miffed to be coming off to me, but hey - maybe he didn't know he had a groin problem.
Far too early to write off Shaky yet, we have had a difficult start and we have been limited in our options given the "injury" to Drinkwater, Iborra picking up a knock in the lead up to the season opener, Silva's enforced absence and also the frustrating knock picked up by Ian Nacho which has severely limited his availability. Whilst we have hardly set the world alight, we haven't been disgraced despite a very tricky run of fixtures, I am sure West Brom didn't expect to take a beating at Brighton and look at Watford destroyed at home by Man City. The next 6 fixtures will provide a better barometer of where we sit and the type of season we have ahead. I think the true measure of Shakey will be how and when he introduces the likes of Dragovic, Iborra and Silva into the side and what changes in shape, formation and style of play he is prepared to make. If in 3 months time these 3 are on the bench and we are continuing to play such a rigid 4-4-2 with all the usual suspects still filling the starting XI then I am sure he will fall on his sword, if he is brave then I see an opportunity to push on and build a bright new future. We have to move on and develop we cannot live in the past and continue to try and replicate a style and system that no longer works for us.
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