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Puel out

Discussion in 'Leicester City' started by Micky, Mar 3, 2018.

  1. londonfox

    londonfox Well-Known Member

    That depends on the manager. The managers that clubs tend to stick with are the ones who are doing a good job and/or maximizing the resources available to them. Puel is most definitely not doing that and has shown no signs that he is likely to. Sticking with him is highly unlikely to get us any kind of success.
     
  2. jb5000

    jb5000 Well-Known Member

    Dyce took Burnley down...
     
  3. fitz

    fitz Well-Known Member

    As was accepted by the club before they even started that season. They pumped money into facilities rather than players and kept their fingers crossed they could be less shit than 3 others.
     
  4. londonfox

    londonfox Well-Known Member

    But in doing so was he maximizing the resources available to him?
     
  5. Redditch Fox

    Redditch Fox Well-Known Member

    Burnley are a great example of a club that is well organised and operates sensibly within its resources. We are the opposite. We buy pricey players and are generally taken for mugs by our competitors. Maguire excepted but for the most part we are ripped off.

    None of us are close enough to know exactly what sort of mess Leicester City are - but we can be sure that they are a mess and Puel is a big part of that mess. His style doesn't resonate with the fans and doesn't appear to resonate with the players either.

    It's very lucky that we are safe for this season and there is a window to try to turn things round. There aren't too many other than a couple of Leicester Mercury journos who think that Puel can usefully contribute to that process.
     
  6. PFKAKTF FOX

    PFKAKTF FOX Well-Known Member

    It's a really difficult one, our form and performances over the last 3-4 months have been pretty patchy, there has been a number of disappointing and frustrating defeats and draws, however during his reign to date there has also been some really positive performances and results which showed we are capable of playing a more possession based type of game with some success. He has been positive in the way he has blooded so many of the younger players and we will benefit in the longer term for this policy.

    We are most definitely in transition, our style has changed significantly but unfortunately our personnel hasn't, the old guard are still very much the backbone of this side and clearly there are a number who are well past their sell by date and their limitations are being exposed. Regardless of whether Puel stays or not we have to move players on in the summer otherwise we will stagnate and next season run the risk of a real relegation battle.

    For me as a minimum it is time to let the following leave due to age or that they are limited players who cannot fit into a new style of play, and look to freshen and build the squad that will be the future of LCFC.

    Morgan
    Huth
    Hamer
    Simpson
    Fuchs
    Okazaki
    King
    James
    Ulloa
    Slimani
    Musa
     
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  7. Redditch Fox

    Redditch Fox Well-Known Member

    Mainly agree except I think that the word 'transition' understates our position. A managed transition is what should have happened. Instead Puel is trying to revolutionise the playing style with the wrong players. Morgan is the classic example of this. He's been a great servant of the club but is finished now. Everyone knows this but the word is that Puel wants to extend his contract!
    Your list is long already and could arguably be extended by adding some recently signed over-priced players e.g. what about Nacho as a dud so called striker and is Silva tough enough for English football? When you think about it Puel is by no means the sole culprit it's just that I can't see him achieving anything other than relegation.
     
  8. Brown Nose

    Brown Nose Well-Known Member

  9. Redditch Fox

    Redditch Fox Well-Known Member

    Actually, it's the club rather than Puel that's in big trouble. Puel can move on and f--k up some other club. Leicester are stuck with having about 50% deadwood and little realistic chance of putting all that right over the summer and at the same time try to fend off bigger clubs who will pick off our better players. As much as I want him out I can see what an ex- Monaco coach is trying to do - but the changes in playing style are drastic and I fear the pain is going to be equally drastic and not short term.
     
  10. fitz

    fitz Well-Known Member

    Southampton sacked him, have a shit squad and appointed a dud. As a result no manager should ever be sacked or they'll be doomed to rely on Shane Long to score goals.
     
  11. Miles Away

    Miles Away Well-Known Member

    we’ve a good squad.
     
  12. Brown Nose

    Brown Nose Well-Known Member

    We've got an excellent squad. Lots of players of proven quality. A good blend of experience and youth. Strong competition for most positions. It bewilders me how some are so quick to write off these players, abandoning them in preference to the pretend mate of Glenn Hoddle.

    We are only going through a 'transition' because the manager appears to be determined to play a style of football that doesn't suit the players he has. We've now spent several months playing a formation that includes a 'number 10' without one. Apparently, that's the right thing to do and it's the fault of half a dozen poor saps that have been instructed to do what they don't do well. Of course it is.

    Simpson and Morgan are apparently finished. It's got nothing to do with being asked to play contrary to their strengths of course. It goes on and on. The evidence is overwhelming and it bewilders me why so many cannot see it.
     
  13. camberwell fox

    camberwell fox Well-Known Member

    I am in partial agreement with Skitzo here though.

    4-4-2 or the differentials of that we played in THAT season is certainly limited in its effectiveness moving forwards, Ranieri saw that and as many (including you) correctly pointed out - Shakey was a dead man walking as he hadn’t had the experience to handle well travelled and experienced rival managers.

    Puel is trying to do something different and although I agree we are dreadful to watch I think he is right in his assessment.

    I too think Simpson is limited and Morgan is parhaps on the wrong side of the hill, if we are willing to accept that Puel needs his own style and that some of the current players are unable to deliver - then surely he has NO alternative than to restructure.

    He owes is to the current players to give them a go but it appears he is wasting his time with some.

    I think he should be given a pre season to buy and at least half of next season to gel.

    To be fair we could easily realise £100 million plus for Mahrez and a few of the others who he doesn’t want and therefore the financial risk to the club is limited to perhaps £50 million.

    £150 million is a very decent war chest and he could virtually recruit who he wants from the second trench of players available.
     
  14. TornadoShaunUK

    TornadoShaunUK Well-Known Member

    I'm still of the opinion we should stick with. He's not even had a full season yet. I'd probably feel differently if we were in danger of going down, and that goes for next season too but I'd like to see a bit of stability. He should get the summer and into next season at least and if he can at least deliver another top half finish next season I'd consider that grounds to keep him on beyond that too. There have been examples where sticking with the man has plainly been a wrong decision - Nigel Clough at Derby springs to mind who was kept on for years under some false hope from the chairman that he'd eventually deliver but we can look at the likes of Dyche at Burnley and others and know that giving him time is more likely to work out better. We did it with O'Neill, and Pearson who we bounced back from play off disappointment against Cardiff and Watford and Watford with as well as surviving the drop when it would have been easier to give him the boot. They went on to become two of our most important managers.
     
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  15. Brown Nose

    Brown Nose Well-Known Member

    Doing something different is fine if it works and if it makes sense. I want a manager to come in and add value too. However, I don't think that what Puel is doing either works or makes sense.

    You have also put a lot of faith in his judgement in the transfer market. If he's given licence to restructure the team, he will be spending a fortune on his type of players.

    His record at Southampton saw him recruit three of his 'type' of player: Jeremy Pied, Sofiane Boufal and Manolo Gabbiadini for a combined outlay of just over £30m.

    According to Soccerbase, Pied has started three Premier League games in almost two seasons. Boufal has started about a third of their games since joining. He's an attacker that has managed a total of 3 goals in his time there. Striker Gabbiadini started superbly at Southampton with 6 goals in his first 4 appearances. Since which time, he's scored 4 in his last 39 appearances.

    For us, he's signed Diabate because his son told him to (he's actually signed both of his own sons which is even more absurd than what Pearson got away with). Diabate may become a good player, he's certainly got something, but he's not done anything worth trusting Puel with our transfer kitty.

    What if he moves on the reliable old guard and replaces them with the sort of player he's recruited so far in England? Why take such a ridiculous gamble with our status?
     
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  16. Orifice

    Orifice Well-Known Member

    Scary and exciting.
    Not like two seasons ago was though.
    Not exactly what I want.
     
  17. TornadoShaunUK

    TornadoShaunUK Well-Known Member

    We'd be taking a gamble with our status by giving him the boot too. I hope he does move on the old guard, they're not gonna be around forever and IMO some of them are not very reliable at all anymore. As far as I'm concerned, it's been shit so far after the usual new manager boost wore off but given time I'd like to see if he can replicate what he did in France and while we're not risking big bucks by flirting with relegation I think we should give him that time.
     
  18. tedfoxxx

    tedfoxxx Well-Known Member

    A squad full of hard working, fast, dedicated players who will leave their guts on the pitch when asked and motivated.

    But he tries to play tepid possession football with no pressing. It’s fucking wank.
     
  19. Feriol

    Feriol Well-Known Member

    They haven't been hard working and dedicated for the best part of 2 years now. When they have displayed the same attitude under 3 managers, including the one who helped win them the Premier league title, I'm inclined to think the players are responsible.
     
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  20. fitz

    fitz Well-Known Member

    I'd agree if our possession stats suggested so. After Claudio banned the fried chicken we couldn't even pass a ball. The sabotage was so blatant. What we see now is very good possession stats leading to **** all. For me that suggests it's more of a tactical problem than anything related to menu choices.
     

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