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DesertFox

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Caaaaaaalm down!

I can't believe some of the doom and gloom on here, yet again, after a defeat. It's as if we have a divine right to win every game...

I actually got to see the game today (on TV - even I'm not stupid enough to fly 5000 miles to visit Stoke!) and I thought we were generally the better side, against a team in the top six. Recently we've beaten Watford and Sheff Utd, also both up there.

From what I saw, there is definite improvement from the nonsense that was being served up a year and a half ago. We've now got a much younger team with a much more positive outlook. I also think that CL is improving in his positive team selections and substitutions.

Some of the comments I've seen on here amaze me. If I'd not seen the game I'd have thought that Rab threw three in... the penalty was harsh (as shown on TV - he got the ball, so technically, no penalty - never mind the dive), the second goal was a good, well placed header from almost the edge of the box (some suggest he should have been "commanding his area" but come on, the keeper should never be out there flapping at whipped in crosses - what are you thinking?) and the third was practically a free header from close range, due to some poor marking in the centre of defense. So what, exactly, did Rab do that was so wrong? Maybe a better keeper would have stopped one of them... maybe not. He's not the best keeper we've ever had, but he's far from being the worst as well. I can think of quite a few worse keepers in the 25 years I've been watching City. And which keeper with international experience are we going to get, for free, on small wages, that will be so much better? Come on - I want names!

I'll stick up for Kisnorbo as well. OK, as some have said, he's "not a footballer" but that's not his job - it's a thankless, undervalued and mostly overlooked task, but there has to be someone in there fighting, breaking things up, tracking back, etc, and I thought he did that fairly well today. Not spectacular - we'll never see anything spectacular from him - but reasonably effective. Again, we've had much better, but when Joey was trying to do that job a year ago, we had a lot worse.

And my word, how he's come on! Joey was great today. Man of the match. I thought Stearman did OK as well - some have said he was awful, but I must have missed that part. An excellent young prospect. Hume impressed me. And I thought Elvis did OK also; lightning pace that frightens defenders and he held it up fairly well at times - but once again, we know what to expect from him now, and what not to expect (like clinical finishing, staying onside). Overall his good points far outweigh his bad points and he's an asset to the squad.

Mind you, Sylla was shite in all honesty. I would have taken him off instead of Elvis, and he ought to be dropped (preferably from a great height). First time I've seen Gerrbrand and it was, by all accounts, his worst performance. But he showed the sort of composure people have been talking about. Perhaps a bit too composed, verging on the horizontal at times? Smith is pure class, but we've got no chance of keeping him. He does need to remember he has team mates sometimes.

On the whole, whilst the result was shite, the performance was not too shabby and I think we're heading in the right direction. For a team that's bottom half of the Championship without a pot to piss in, I think we're pretty close to coming good.

I'm not saying that everything in the garden is rosy, far from it: we don't actually have a garden at the moment, it was repossessed along with Gerry Taggart's XXL shorts and Ian Marshall's mullet, and we're now living in a shared bedsit with some smelly bloke called Keith. A lot of people could do with remembering the situation we are in and have been in for several years.

What I'm trying to say is, whilst highly frustrating, I think CL is doing his job and we are recovering from the shower of shite that MA left us with. It's a slow, dirty job, but it's being done and we'll be thankful in a year's time that CL came here to sort this mess out.

Keep the f.... oh, no, that's the old one, ain't it? :icon_eek:
 
thought we looked the better team, until we conceded the 2nd then we panic'd lost our shape and never looked like getting back in control!
we should be higher than we are but i do feel we will start climbing
 
If I remember rightly in a previous post I stated that IMO we would have 27 pts from the first half of the season, we now have 24 from 22 games so a win against Crewe next week and the first half of my prediction will be bang on. We have improved in terms of performances and hopefully in the second half of the season with a couple of decent additions in the transfer window we will start to close out a few more victories and build on the improved performances with an upturn in results.
 
We look a better team in general, better passing and look good going forward but defensively we are poor, when you need 4 goals a game to win a game it shows. I think the problem is douglas and if a commanding keeper is brought in that problem will solve itself. For things like crosses a commanding keeper makes all the difference.

I think craig may well go for a keeper in jan.
 
DesertFox said:
Caaaaaaalm down!

I can't believe some of the doom and gloom on here, yet again, after a defeat. It's as if we have a divine right to win every game...

I actually got to see the game today (on TV - even I'm not stupid enough to fly 5000 miles to visit Stoke!) and I thought we were generally the better side, against a team in the top six. Recently we've beaten Watford and Sheff Utd, also both up there.

From what I saw, there is definite improvement from the nonsense that was being served up a year and a half ago. We've now got a much younger team with a much more positive outlook. I also think that CL is improving in his positive team selections and substitutions.

Some of the comments I've seen on here amaze me. If I'd not seen the game I'd have thought that Rab threw three in... the penalty was harsh (as shown on TV - he got the ball, so technically, no penalty - never mind the dive), the second goal was a good, well placed header from almost the edge of the box (some suggest he should have been "commanding his area" but come on, the keeper should never be out there flapping at whipped in crosses - what are you thinking?) and the third was practically a free header from close range, due to some poor marking in the centre of defense. So what, exactly, did Rab do that was so wrong? Maybe a better keeper would have stopped one of them... maybe not. He's not the best keeper we've ever had, but he's far from being the worst as well. I can think of quite a few worse keepers in the 25 years I've been watching City. And which keeper with international experience are we going to get, for free, on small wages, that will be so much better? Come on - I want names!

I'll stick up for Kisnorbo as well. OK, as some have said, he's "not a footballer" but that's not his job - it's a thankless, undervalued and mostly overlooked task, but there has to be someone in there fighting, breaking things up, tracking back, etc, and I thought he did that fairly well today. Not spectacular - we'll never see anything spectacular from him - but reasonably effective. Again, we've had much better, but when Joey was trying to do that job a year ago, we had a lot worse.

And my word, how he's come on! Joey was great today. Man of the match. I thought Stearman did OK as well - some have said he was awful, but I must have missed that part. An excellent young prospect. Hume impressed me. And I thought Elvis did OK also; lightning pace that frightens defenders and he held it up fairly well at times - but once again, we know what to expect from him now, and what not to expect (like clinical finishing, staying onside). Overall his good points far outweigh his bad points and he's an asset to the squad.

Mind you, Sylla was shite in all honesty. I would have taken him off instead of Elvis, and he ought to be dropped (preferably from a great height). First time I've seen Gerrbrand and it was, by all accounts, his worst performance. But he showed the sort of composure people have been talking about. Perhaps a bit too composed, verging on the horizontal at times? Smith is pure class, but we've got no chance of keeping him. He does need to remember he has team mates sometimes.

On the whole, whilst the result was shite, the performance was not too shabby and I think we're heading in the right direction. For a team that's bottom half of the Championship without a pot to piss in, I think we're pretty close to coming good.

I'm not saying that everything in the garden is rosy, far from it: we don't actually have a garden at the moment, it was repossessed along with Gerry Taggart's XXL shorts and Ian Marshall's mullet, and we're now living in a shared bedsit with some smelly bloke called Keith. A lot of people could do with remembering the situation we are in and have been in for several years.

What I'm trying to say is, whilst highly frustrating, I think CL is doing his job and we are recovering from the shower of shite that MA left us with. It's a slow, dirty job, but it's being done and we'll be thankful in a year's time that CL came here to sort this mess out.

Keep the f.... oh, no, that's the old one, ain't it? :icon_eek:

:038: exactly mate
 
There's no small irony in the fact that the most considered and sensible post-match comment on here has had the least replies from rambling fans. Yes i watched the game, yes I got extremely angry but the optimism remains. Play like that every week, get Paddy Mac back in the centre and (maybe) axe the Celtic duo and that's a good, attack-minded side which will win games at this level.
 
It's the usual doom and gloom when we lose and the over the top optimism when we win,I'm used to it by now.There will be more poor performances this Season IMO but not as many as there as been.It's slow ,slow progress but progress all the same
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To bloody right. I have scanned over the doom and gloom posts. cant be arsed to let you lot get me even more depressed than I already feel about last nights results. Sylla was poor and Dublin was at fault for one of the goals. He could of cleared it and could have scored one but didnt. My biggest concern is how our heads seem to fall off when we get pegged back. We used to be a team known for playing till the last second and were known for our last ten minute wins in games. this has now gone the other way since the famous 'we would have been in the champions league if we played for 80 minutes season'.

So whats the answer? I dont know TBH. Maybe let a few more of the youth team get through. players with passion and pride to wear the blue of LCFC. Make sylla eat blue paint till he has true blue blood like us lot? maybe, maybe not.
 
DesertFox said:
What I'm trying to say is, whilst highly frustrating, I think CL is doing his job and we are recovering from the shower of shite that MA left us with. It's a slow, dirty job, but it's being done and we'll be thankful in a year's time that CL came here to sort this mess out.

Yep, thats exactly how i see it. We must churn out one or two results and stay out of any relegation scrap of course, and then lets await what i believe will be a very interesting season for us next time around. I defy anyone to say that they couldn't take encouragment from the Stoke game. The signs are there and with confidence we will be a force again.
 
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DesertFox said:
Caaaaaaalm down!

I can't believe some of the doom and gloom on here, yet again, after a defeat. It's as if we have a divine right to win every game...

:icon_eek:
100% right, can't disagree with anything in your post:038:
 
I am disappointed with the result and the manner that we through away a game we looked in total control of, but I thought the way we played and controlled the game up to the Stoke equaliser gave me great optimism.

We were poor defensively and it was a sickener to concede two lateish goals but we have in general been fairly decent defensively and we are nowhere near in terms of some of the shambolic self destruction performances under MA, however it did IMO highlight a couple of area's that need strengthening, we need to find a recognised left back and stick with him, we need balance, then CL can select the strongest back four on merit, we need a centre half as back up to the 2 Paddy's and Nissa, Dublin is not the answer. We need a right winger to either replace Sylla or to at least put him under pressure. I also believe we need another striker to supplement Hume, Hammond and MDV.

I understand why CL went for a small squad in the summer, it enabled him to sign what he believed to be quality instead of quantity, but with injuries to Hughes, Weso and Morris, and the obvious lack of faith in Williams, Wilcox, Tiatto and Gilbert, the squad is threadbare and we lack options, I would hope to see a number of these fringe players moved on and players bought in who are capable and trusted to play a more significant role in the season.

I hope and expect the January transfer window will enable Levein to move on a number of under achievers and repalce them with players that will provide added depth and substance to the squad.
 
DesertFox said:
You need to think Scouse accent, shell suit, dodgy tache, etc...


I would really rather not. Is there an alternative?
 
We are playing a lot better, I will agree with that, but one win in eight is not good enough for a team of our resources. We are in and around the top five teams for this league. It just isn't right!
 
SilverFox said:
We are playing a lot better, I will agree with that, but one win in eight is not good enough for a team of our resources. We are in and around the top five teams for this league. It just isn't right!

Frustrating yes, but we don't have a devine right to be at the top end of the table just because of resources. Man U didn't win the league for 20 odd years despite being top dogs in the transfer market, and whilst fianancies are vital, team spirit and players who will play for the manager are a big ingredient for success. IMO its the latter that CL is trying to build.
 
I am tired of people saying 'we aren't a big club' like it is some sort of legitimate excuse for being 19th in the championship.

We may not be, but if you don't aim high you won't achieve anything. We never said at any point, 'right this is the last year of the parachute money so lets go out there and try to get promoted', all the noises from the club have been towards possibly sneaking the playoffs at a push. Dion Dublin even said before the start of the season that he hoped to be mid table and possibly push at the end of the season for a playoff place...why not aim a little higher?!?! I doubt last year that Sunderlands fans or West Ham's fans would have welcomed this news (I draw the parallel because they were in the last year of their parachute payments)...both respective clubs expected promotion, their boards aimed for promotion...it seems we just aim for 'oh well we aren't very big never mind'.

I think Martin O'Neill and Brian Little shouldn't have bothered to try so hard back in their day. They should have adopted the, 'this is the playoff final, but it doesn't matter because we aren't a big club' approach. Its far safer.

In the season we were last relegated from the premiership we were the 15th best supported club in the country, in terms of fan base, home and away support and facilities...for me this is a springboard, a sign of real potential. To some its a glass is half empty, 'oh we aren't very big' opportunity to set very low sights for this club.

Don't get me wrong, I don't expect to win the league or win trophies, but I do expect a legitimate attempt to fight for promotion. The finances will be reduced yet further next season, so if not now...when?

And can people stop drawing parallels with man u-fecking-nited, I don't give a toss what they did in their past. Just because it took them a long time to get there doesn't mean it is the f*cking blueprint for all of us. We are Leicester, that is enough for me. What they have done/will do is of little consequence to me. All I know is that we must make our own destiny, and if we never aim high we won't achieve s***. Shoot for the moon and you might just get the stars.
 
SilverFox said:
I am tired of people saying 'we aren't a big club' like it is some sort of legitimate excuse for being 19th in the championship.

We may not be, but if you don't aim high you won't achieve anything. We never said at any point, 'right this is the last year of the parachute money so lets go out there and try to get promoted', all the noises from the club have been towards possibly sneaking the playoffs at a push. Dion Dublin even said before the start of the season that he hoped to be mid table and possibly push at the end of the season for a playoff place...why not aim a little higher?!?! I doubt last year that Sunderlands fans or West Ham's fans would have welcomed this news (I draw the parallel because they were in the last year of their parachute payments)...both respective clubs expected promotion, their boards aimed for promotion...it seems we just aim for 'oh well we aren't very big never mind'.

I think Martin O'Neill and Brian Little shouldn't have bothered to try so hard back in their day. They should have adopted the, 'this is the playoff final, but it doesn't matter because we aren't a big club' approach. Its far safer.

In the season we were last relegated from the premiership we were the 15th best supported club in the country, in terms of fan base, home and away support and facilities...for me this is a springboard, a sign of real potential. To some its a glass is half empty, 'oh we aren't very big' opportunity to set very low sights for this club.

Don't get me wrong, I don't expect to win the league or win trophies, but I do expect a legitimate attempt to fight for promotion. The finances will be reduced yet further next season, so if not now...when?

And can people stop drawing parallels with man u-fecking-nited, I don't give a toss what they did in their past. Just because it took them a long time to get there doesn't mean it is the f*cking blueprint for all of us. We are Leicester, that is enough for me. What they have done/will do is of little consequence to me. All I know is that we must make our own destiny, and if we never aim high we won't achieve s***. Shoot for the moon and you might just get the stars.

Excellent post Silver, I can understand your fustrations and it can be disheartening listening to the club playing down talk of challenging for the play offs and promotion, I mean we are Leicester City and whilst we have no divine right to be winning league cups, finishing in the top half of the premier league and experiencing european football, I do think the least we can expect is for the club to be challenging for promotion or the play offs, we have excellent facilities, a decent budget and a squad of players that are nowhere near the bottom 6 in terms of individual talent and potential. We are underachieving big time.

But in Levein's and the club's defence, the cautious approach IMO was to prevent a newly assembled young and inexperienced squad having too much fan and media pressure bestowed on it. IMO inside the corridors of Leicester City FC within the Management team and Directors there will have been a belief that the squad assembled was more than capable of a top six finish, but based on the experiences of the previous season it was decided to play down the sides chances rather than to declare we were gunning for the top two a statement that became a millstone around the neck of Micky Adams and his team.

I can well imagine that there will be dismay from the Directors, to the management, players and right down to us supporters, at the current plight and position of the side, but imagine the pressure that would now be being heaped on the team and its manager, had the club made bold statements of its intentions in pre season.

IMO this has been a calculated marketing approach by the board to allow the manager time to build and not to burden anymore undue pressure, in the hope that if the fans expectations are lowered, then our levels of acceptance of circumstance increase and the more likely fans will remain paitent.
 
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highland fox said:
It's the usual doom and gloom when we lose and the over the top optimism when we win,I'm used to it by now.There will be more poor performances this Season IMO but not as many as there as been.It's slow ,slow progress but progress all the same
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I cant remember been over the top optimistic, but the table doesnt lie, anyone who thinks we too good to go down ask forest fans what they thought last season.
 
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