For Those who went to Sheff Wed

[Fox Fan]

For those of you that made the trip up to Sheffield yesterday to see that performance, I wonder what your opinion on CL is.

I went today and personally that match juts backed up everything I had feared about CL. For starters - how can we put in such a good performance against Spurs and then such an exceptionally poor one six days later. Why did he have 4 Strikers on the bench and no Gk? Why did Frayatt not start, he would of had the momentum after just signing for this 'big club.

After seeing both those matches in six days I wonder what CL does in the dressing room. Most disturbing about todays game was a lack of fight despite facing the very real chnace of falling into the drop zone.

ON this board I've seen plenty of conflicting views (even Mad Biker seemed pissed off). What I want to know from those who went to the game should we back him or boot him.

Yes im aware one of these threads have already been started, but unless you saw how exceptionally poor that game was you really don't know what im feeling right now - I want to know how others feel.

 

[webmaster]

Why did Frayatt not start

How many reasons do you want?


He's not fully fit.
The front two did well against Spurs - why change them?
He's not trained much with the rest of the team yet.

 

[Fox Fan]

How many reasons do you want?


He's not fully fit.
The front two did well against Spurs - why change them?
He's not trained much with the rest of the team yet.

Fine, why start him with 20mins to go? He did it with MdV - it ruined his Leicester carrer IMO, he never played long enough to score a goal, by the time he got his first start he already played about 5 or so games without scoring, the fans has already made up their minds. CL was on the radio not long after he came saying Mdv was already worrying about not scoring - well by not being a stong manager and starting him he damaged his confidence Irreparably, killed whatever repution he could of had etc...

And didn't he score 4 on his debut for Hearts.

CL then repeated this same thing with every other player he's brought in - and they all look short on confidence now, could this just be coinsidence?

Have the backbone to start him or leave him out - he didnt look unfit anyway, he did more running than Kisnorbo, and he was only on for 20mins!

 

[Fox Fan]

Anyway Webbo, whats your opinion on CL after that match?

 

[bocadillo]

Why did he have 4 Strikers on the bench and no Gk?

Henderson is injured; we have no other goalie. Are you really suggesting that Dublin is a striker. The five who were on the bench were the only fit first-teamers.

I have got to say that your lack of attention to this kind of detail throws doubt on the substance of your whole post.

 

[Fox Fan]

Henderson is injured; we have no other goalie. Are you really suggesting that Dublin is a striker. The five who were on the bench were the only fit first-teamers.

I have got to say that your lack of attention to this kind of detail throws doubt on the substance of your whole post.

He wasn't injured for the Spurs match, and I hadn't heard anything to say he was injured again

If Dublin is no Striker why then has CL chosen him over Nils Eric in the past? Is it becuase he's a better defender? I doubt it, more likley to be because he knows in the last 10mins when we need a goal he can shove him upfront (or because he had one of a number of spats with Nils)

 

[glyn]

If Dublin is no Striker why then has CL chosen him over Nils Eric in the past? Is it becuase he's a better defender? I doubt it, more likley to be because he knows in the last 10mins when we need a goal he can shove him upfront (or because he had one of a number of spats with Nils)

And what a great record he has of coming up with a late winner/equaliser for us as well. DD days as a striker are long gone, and there's not much of a defender left either!

 

[newtonfox]

How many reasons do you want?


He's not fully fit.
The front two did well against Spurs - why change them?
He's not trained much with the rest of the team yet.

true but he looked fitter than the rest of the team imo ,if thats him at 85% carnt wait till he's 100% fit

come on give him time

 

[bocadillo]

true but he looked fitter than the rest of the team imo ,if thats him at 85% carnt wait till he's 100% fit

come on give him time

I'm not opposed to giving him time, but I would like to ask you on what you base your statement that he looked fitter than the rest of the team. If you've only got 15 minutes to run around, you don't have to conserve yourself anywhere near as much as somebody who has to plan for the 90.

 

[newtonfox]

I'm not opposed to giving him time, but I would like to ask you on what you base your statement that he looked fitter than the rest of the team. If you've only got 15 minutes to run around, you don't have to conserve yourself anywhere near as much as somebody who has to plan for the 90.

he put more into the 15 mins he's was on than most of them had done for the whole game ffs we played for 7 mins as a team then fell apart ffs

 

[bocadillo]

he put more into the 15 mins he's was on than most of them had done for the whole game ffs we played for 7 mins as a team then fell apart ffs

On the whole I agree with you, although I do think that the positive spell lasted a *little* longer than 7 minutes. But what would you expect from somebody who is given 15 minutes to impress in his first game? - exactly what we saw yesterday! But apart from one electrifying burst of speed (when all the other players were nackered) that got nothing more than a booking for their goalie, what else did he actually do that stood out.

Yes, he's got to be given time - but City fans don't seem to be any good at doing that for anybody these days. We will have to wait and see.

 

[PFKAKTF FOX]

Henderson is injured; we have no other goalie. Are you really suggesting that Dublin is a striker. The five who were on the bench were the only fit first-teamers.

I have got to say that your lack of attention to this kind of detail throws doubt on the substance of your whole post.

Henderson didnt look too injured in the warm up, throwing himself around the goal mouth and I may be wrong but did he not play in goal for the reserves in midweek, however I am not too concerned with Craig not picking a keeper as sub, Warnock does it quite a lot and I see at as quite a positive move as it does give more options, one day he may well get caught out but based on previous history he probably feels it is a gamble worth taking and I am inclined to agree.


My concerns lie with the way that Levein allowed time to drift on without any real tactical changes, it was clear that Kisnorbo and Hamill were having absolute mares and yet he proceeded to leave Paddy on all game and Hamill was given 75 mins, surely they were lucky to stay on past half time but I understand that it is a risk to make too many changes early on, but IMO it was clearly obvious after 10 to 15 mins of the second half that it wasnt going to change and that's when he should have made the changes.

As for Leicester fans not giving people time, I agree in some areas that the fans can be very impaitent, especially with new signings, but as far as Levein is concerned how much longer do we give him, long enough to kill our club do we act now whilst we can still build on and improve some on some of the good he has managed in his time. Give him much longer and IMO he will undo any of the good he has done.

I would possibly give him next week to see if he can get the reaction out of the players we so desperately need, plus I am away in Dublin and therefore for one week miss out on witnessing yet another inept shower of a performance.

 

[highland fox]

Exactly how many Polls are there to be on Should he go ? Is the one not sufficent ? Or is the next one only for people with a' on their name...

 

[PONTUS KAAMARK]

I appriaciate that alot of this will already have been said but this is the first opportunity I have had to vent my frustrations since yesterday, and if I dont do it I will go mad.

We were ****ing awful yesterday. The defending for the first goal was shit. Where was the midfield???? Yes it was a fantastic strike but Brunt was able to run in to acres of space unappossed!!

If the first goal was shit defending the second was shambolic! We dithered and aloud them to take an easy free kick. The ball was able to travel accross the goal to an unmarked player who was able to take his time and place a nice cross into the box. NOT ONE PLAYER CLOSED HIM DOWN. From that point the players in the box were still dithering and not ready for the incoming cross which resulted in the weak challenge on the header.

THIS WAS NOTHING SHORT OF SHAMBOLIC.

We continued to hoof the ball for the entire game, by passing the midfield. We did this to a striker who we all know is not the best in the air. If you are going to play hoof ball you may as well play Dublin as he is more suited to this approach. Granted the pitch was shit but we played right into their hands as they stuck two men on Deep Freeze all game.

Kisnorbo and Hamill were nothing short of pathetic. Kisnorbo struggled to make 5 yard passes when unappossed. Every header he won went back to Wednesday. It was shamful too see.

Hamill offerred nothing. I cant see the point in Hamill. He is ment to be a winger yet he HAS NO PACE, CANT DRIBBLE AND CANT CROSS! How does this work?

People have already made the points about the use of Fryatt so I wont go into that but it beggered belief.

The only players who could come out with any credit yesterday where Douglas, Stearman and Paddy Mc. Douglas had nothing to do and made an excellent save at the end. Stearman got forward and tried to create things. He achieved far more in his 45 mins than the suppossedly more creative Williams or Hughes did in 90 mins.

We have good players who should be hungry so why can they only turn it on against stronger opposition?

Levein must go now. I have lost all faith in the current mangement to motivate and discipline our current set of players.

 

[Yorkshire Vixen]

I appriaciate that alot of this will already have been said but this is the first opportunity I have had to vent my frustrations since yesterday, and if I dont do it I will go mad.

We were ****ing awful yesterday. The defending for the first goal was shit. Where was the midfield???? Yes it was a fantastic strike but Brunt was able to run in to acres of space unappossed!!

If the first goal was shit defending the second was shambolic! We dithered and aloud them to take an easy free kick. The ball was able to travel accross the goal to an unmarked player who was able to take his time and place a nice cross into the box. NOT ONE PLAYER CLOSED HIM DOWN. From that point the players in the box were still dithering and not ready for the incoming cross which resulted in the weak challenge on the header.

THIS WAS NOTHING SHORT OF SHAMBOLIC.

We continued to hoof the ball for the entire game, by passing the midfield. We did this to a striker who we all know is not the best in the air. If you are going to play hoof ball you may as well play Dublin as he is more suited to this approach. Granted the pitch was shit but we played right into their hands as they stuck two men on Deep Freeze all game.

Kisnorbo and Hamill were nothing short of pathetic. Kisnorbo struggled to make 5 yard passes when unappossed. Every header he won went back to Wednesday. It was shamful too see.

Hamill offerred nothing. I cant see the point in Hamill. He is ment to be a winger yet he HAS NO PACE, CANT DRIBBLE AND CANT CROSS! How does this work?

The only players who could come out with any credit yesterday where Douglas, Stearman and Paddy Mc. Douglas had nothing to do and made an excellent save at the end. Stearman got forward and tried to create things.

i agree

 

[Durham Fox]

Only players who appear to understand what playing for LCFC means are Rab, Stearman and Paddy Mc IMO.

 

[mitcho_uk]

Only players who appear to understand what playing for LCFC means are Rab, Stearman and Paddy Mc IMO.

Im not sure i agree with you about rab, but i also believe that hume should be added to that list.

 

[Yorkshire Vixen]

well im not a rab fan but he had a decent game didnt have that much to do but what he did have to do he did it well even picking the ball out of the net twice :icon_roll

 

[Durham Fox]

Im not talking about ability, thats the same whoever a player plays for. I am talking about attitude and Rab's is spot on. He gees people up and shows a good comitment to the cause.

 

[PFKAKTF FOX]

You could see that yesterday hurt big Rab, he was as angry and fustrated as the fans at what was going on in front of him, the trouble is apart from Paddy Mac, Humey and Stearman, I dont think the rest give a flying feck. And if Hume continues to be pissed about then it wont be long before he loses interest as well and who can blame him.