Referee

[Brauny Blue]

Can anyone put a logical explanation on the Bywater incident. Just can't understand why he didn't get an early bath. IMO we have 2 situations where both teams have been denied a certain goal by foul play. One gets red the other yellow :smt017 . The fact is that we should have played against 10 men for 70 mins. This would almost certainly have made Wham change tactics with either Harewood or Sheringham being sacrificed , thus leaving them with a far more defensive role in the game.IMO the ref bottled it. :smt093

 

[lcfcrules]

It is quite simple Brauny, we are Leicetser City, we don't get these kinds of decisions unless they are against us. It is even written in the FA rule book

 

[Brauny Blue]

We might feel the world is against us . But IMO that was a diabolical decision. I have a pal by the name of Tony Green who runs the line in the premier league. He told me that the refs have a mandate to work off ,i.e automatic booking for a player taking the shirt off. The officials are marked for their performace by arbitrators and although they don't agree with certain rules they still have to apply them or they will be marked down by their superiors.The rules state that if the last player performs a professional foul it is deemed to be a red card .Bywater was the last man and the ref bottled it.

 

[Martyn]

I don't believe there is anything in the rule book about 'last man', however if someone has stopped a 'clear goalscoring opportunity' then a red card should be administered - hence Bywater should have gone because Hughes actually kept decent control of the ball as he shifted it past the keeper.

 

[Brauny Blue]

I don't believe there is anything in the rule book about 'last man', however if someone has stopped a 'clear goalscoring opportunity' then a red card should be administered - hence Bywater should have gone because Hughes actually kept decent control of the ball as he shifted it past the keeper.

Prove it. This is the law. Ask Kevin Moran who was sent off in the 1985 cup final when some 40yards from goal and far from a 'clear goalscoring opportunity. He was the 'last man'

 

[Martyn]

A player is sent off and shown the red card if he commits any of the following seven offences:

1. is guilty of serious foul play;

2. is guilty of violent conduct;

3. spits at an opponent or any other person;

4. denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within his own penalty area);

5. denies an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick;

6. uses offensive or insulting or abusive language and/or gestures;

7. receives a second caution in the same match.

 

[Brauny Blue]

A player is sent off and shown the red card if he commits any of the following seven offences:

1. is guilty of serious foul play;

2. is guilty of violent conduct;

3. spits at an opponent or any other person;

4. denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within his own penalty area);

5. denies an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick;

6. uses offensive or insulting or abusive language and/or gestures;

7. receives a second caution in the same match.

Are those play-station rules .
If rule 6 was to be enforced then each game would end in five -a-side

 

[Martyn]

Official rules from FIFA, no mention of last man.

 

[Brauny Blue]

If FIFA's rules are to be adhered to then can you explain how most matches end with 22 players on the pitch if rule 6 is used properly

 

[Martyn]

Look, you asked me to prove that 'last man' was not part of the rulebook. Irrespective of whether referees adhere properly to these rules or not is academic. I've done what you asked.

 

[Brauny Blue]

Are you losing your cool my friend :roll: .
The reason i took you up on this point is because you stated that a player can be sent off for preventing a clear goal scoring opportunity. That IMO is rather a grey area .I.E Beckham can score a goal from the half way line so that must be seen as a 'goal scoring opportunity'. Nathan Blake,Akinbadbuy can't hit a cows arse with a banjo.So for them unless its inside the six yard box it ain't going to be a ' goal scoring opportunity'.Thus a grey area . Last man however is not in dispute.A player either is or is not.

 

[webmaster]

The reason i took you up on this point is because you stated that a player can be sent off for preventing a clear goal scoring opportunity. That IMO is rather a grey area .I.E Beckham can score a goal from the half way line so that must be seen as a 'goal scoring opportunity'.

It's a slight goalscoring opportunity, but not a clear goalscoring opportunity. A clear goalscoring opportunity is where you'd expect the player to score a goal.

Last man however is not in dispute.A player either is or is not.

But you can be the last man when it's not a clear goalscoring opportunity. And you can have a clear goalscoring opportunity when the defender committing the foul isn't the last man. So putting 'last man' into the laws of the game wouldn't make sense.


But having said that it looked like the ref got it wrong tonight - from the away end it looked lke a clear chance. Sometimes being at the other end of the pitch to an incident makes it difficult to tell, but I don't think any of the Leicester fans had any doubt. And I had two quid on Hughes to score the first goal at 25/1, so I was not happy with the keeper

 

[Martyn]

No I'm not losing my cool, I have more urgent things to be getting angry/frustrated about.

I'm going by the FIFA directive, which is 'goalscoring opportunity'. Yes there is a slight grey area but lets be reasonable, just because Beckham has scored from the halfway line before doesn't mean if he picks the ball up on the halfway line he has a 'clear goalscoring opportunity'. Irrespective of who a player is, if you are faced with an open goal 6 yards out, with 1 defender blocking a path, it is a clear opportunity, doesn't matter if it's Akinbiyi or Van Nistelrooy - surely thats not in doubt.

There could be just as much confusion in a last man system - say if a player gets barged over running away from goal by a last defender, but there is a possibility a pacey defender could have come round and cover any potential danger.

It's all swings and roundabouts, the law as it stands doesn't say anything about a last man, it may be better if it did - who knows? Just have to agree that Sepp Blatter is an incompetent idiot and get on with life.

 

[MerseyFox]

I think the fact that the goalkeeper went in with his feet rather than his hands to foul a player in the box means that he should be off. Had that been us our keeper, he would be off. Thought that yet again the ref. was a central figure in a poor game for us, although we had an incredibly poor second half.

 

[alex]

I think it was unclear how Stephen Hughes would have finished off the move and as to whether therefore it was a 'clear' goal-scoring opportunity.

However, this is an impossible situation to referee, such assumption has no place in the game. IMO had we been at home he would've walked.

 

[SilverFox]

The BBC website has solved the issue for us:-

The referee - 'A Marriner (W Midlands).'

Clearly against East Midlands clubs!

 

[step]

Gents, chill out. You are missing the point. This problem aint about bad refereeing, It about good referteeing, the refs are only following the guideline layed down for them, and if those guide lines include, Make sure city dont win, then no amount of complaining will overcome the problem

We are leicester, we are not popular at the best of times and the FA, leagueand co have still not forgiven us for going ito administration.

 

[Hazzman]

I know this may sound silly but I think certain footballing bodies have it against us. After adminisation, La Manga and other things we are not the most popular.

 

[Brauny Blue]

I agree there seems to be an hidden agenda against us.
I work with Cov,Birmingham and Villa fans who are traditional west midland rivals.They seem to have a bigger hatred of us than they do with each other. What is it they don't like? Perhaps they were jealous of the MON years, when for once we could look down on them all.

 

[Cate Fox]

The only thing I can say about him is that he is a prat...have just about calmed down now from Friday