The official, though undoubtedly misunderstood or derided, 24/25 VAR thread

[Brown Nose]

Our first experience of VAR confusion on Saturday. I reckon VAR fun will warrant its own thread so here it is.

Faes scored direct from a corner and it was disallowed due to Vardy being in an offside position in front of the goal. The goal was eventually given after the ref went to the monitor. I was a bit confused about it all. Here is the 'official' explanation from Dale Johnson:

"VAR review: Vardy was in contact with Leno as the corner was played in, but the offside judgement only starts when Faes heads the ball. That sets the position, and from that point the actions of Vardy come into play.

The angle behind the goal showed that at the point Faes made contact Leno had a clear view of the ball, and Vardy made no attempt to play it nor did he move across the keeper's path. If Vardy had been directly in front of the goalkeeper, the goal would have remained disallowed.

Referee Darren Bond had to go to the pitchside monitor to make the decision himself as this was a subjective decision which required interpretation, unlike a standard, factual offside".

 

[Blaarev]

Correct decision.

 

[City Fan]

Farcical that the ref originally disallowed it.

 

[TommyK]

I thought the linesman were both quick with there flags on numerous occasions.

I thought they were supposed to let the game run for right offsides and let var sort it?

 

[Miles Away]

I thought the linesman were both quick with there flags on numerous occasions.

I thought they were supposed to let the game run for right offsides and let var sort it?

The party line now is that the on-pitch officials decisions are likely to be more "respected" - so imagine they are going to be flagging a lot earlier nowadays.

 

[Brown Nose]

Possible onside: Mateta when scoring​

What happened: Crystal Palace thought they had found a way back into the game in the 47th minute when Jean-Philippe Mateta turned home a pass from Tyrick Mitchell, but the assistant's flag went up for offside. The VAR, Andy Madley, checked the decision.

VAR decision: Goal.

VAR review: The decision to award a goal to Palace angered Leicester City boss Steve Cooper, as his side were 2-0 up at the time and ended up drawing the game 2-2 after conceding a penalty two minutes into stoppage time.

"I really want to see the absolute offside image of the first goal," Cooper said afterwards. "If it is, no problem, we'll hold our hands up, but we can't be calling offsides on suggestions, which is only what we've seen at the moment. We need to get that image quickly off the Premier League. If it is, I'll accept it."

Cooper's comments are pertinent, as issues visualising offside decisions from tight camera angles have always been problematic with this technology. It will change when semiautomated offside comes in after one of the international breaks in October or November, as we'll get an animation which moves to the offside line to clearly show the position of the players. But at the same time things will change slightly soon (as explained below), though that will be no use to Leicester now.

Until we get semiautomated offside, we are stuck with what we have. And at grounds like Selhurst Park, which don't have great camera angles, it's especially difficult.

Cooper said he would be asking the Premier League for the "absolute offside image," though we do already have these. The Premier League released two images, one from the regular broadcast camera which includes the ball being passed by Mitchell, and the goal-line camera which is intended to show that Mateta was behind the offside line.

Neither are great and you have to know the intricacies of the system to understand what you're looking at.

If a single green line is displayed, that's only to the defender and tells us that the decision is so close that the tolerance level has been applied. That's basically a 5cm benefit of the doubt to the attacker, who might be offside but the inaccuracies in this technology mean he's given a little bit of leeway. If the lines to the defender and the attacker are touching, the striker is given onside.

Yet if no line is displayed to the attacker it can add to the confusion. The goal-line camera angle is supposed to be telling us Mateta is behind it, but without a line to him it doesn't really illustrate that.

And then we have the other aspect of semiautomated offside, which effectively creates a two-tier system within the same season. This technology has the tolerance level; semiautomated offside does not due to increased accuracy.

What does that mean? Well, as Mateta was onside within the tolerance level of this technology, he may well be offside with semiautomated. We have a goal for Palace that was ruled onside through VAR in September, yet may well be offside in October.

It raises obvious questions about having two different offside systems in the same season, but the Premier League clubs unanimously voted to bring in the new technology as soon as it's available, rather than wait until next season. Serie A also introduced semiautomated offside midseason in the 2022-23 campaign.

 

[H T B]

hmmm!

 

[City Fan]

Sounds like another VAR-like car crash waiting to happen.

This can all **** off, seriously.

 

[SilverFox]

What a load of ****ing shit.

 

[big_mac4824]

it worked really well in the Euros and was quite quick in providing a decision to.

 

[Blue Maniac]

What a load of ****ing shit.

All of present-day professional football? Definitely

 

[City Fan]

it worked really well in the Euros and was quite quick in providing a decision to.

VAR works well in international football as well, but we managed to **** that up as well.

Not holding my breath with this next monstrosity.

 

[Brown Nose]

 

[Robin127]

The questions about having two different systems in one season is moot considering the explanation behind Saturdays decision.

 

[big_mac4824]

VAR works well in international football as well, but we managed to **** that up as well.

Not holding my breath with this next monstrosity.

It sort of gives the impression that the Premiership Refs are ..... arrogant?

 

[homer]

Don't know what the problem is - clearly onside by a country mile.....

 

[Volpone]

Leicester City FC

Keys claims VAR made a mistake yesterday 🫤

www.facebook.com

 

[Robin127]

Leicester City FC

Keys claims VAR made a mistake yesterday 🫤

www.facebook.com

If you go the link and read the article there is a photo showing what he's basing it on, take a look and see if you can see anything wrong with it.

 

[SilverFox]

****ing weird system we’ve developed. VAR should exist to correct obvious errors, instead it exists to used to take a perfectly good decision and substitute it for one that is entirely wrong. Bravo.

 

[Brown Nose]