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There'd obviously been some kind of verbals going off for a bit (see after-match interview with Warney) when, just after Warne had slapped Monty for a leg side swat, the camera showed Colly mouthing at Warne - Warne took it for a second, then the microphones picked up something along the lines of "feels great to get an MBE for scoring 7 runs, does it?".....Colly's face was a picture, and needless to say he had no comeback.....Fantastic.

The guy is a legend, and it was an honour to witness him play......
 
There'd obviously been some kind of verbals going off for a bit (see after-match interview with Warney) when, just after Warne had slapped Monty for a leg side swat, the camera showed Colly mouthing at Warne - Warne took it for a second, then the microphones picked up something along the lines of "feels great to get an MBE for scoring 7 runs, does it?".....Colly's face was a picture, and needless to say he had no comeback.....Fantastic.

The guy is a legend, and it was an honour to witness him play......

:icon_lol: Feckin quality
 
The Aussies will score about 440, leaving England 150 behind. We will be all out for 175 with the Aussies winning by 10wkts.

Have you ever seen a worse England tail with our 8,9,10 & 11:102:

Not far out with the looks of it:icon_conf .

Aussies will need about 60 to win and i expect the Aussies to lose 1wkt allowing Shane Warne to come in and hit the winning runs:icon_wink
 
dont know if this has already been mentioned coz I cant be arsed to read a thread about how useless england are but unlucky on the bet HF, thought the rain was gonna help you out at one point!
 
5-0 it is then :(

My end of series rankings.

*Flintoff 4 - Bowled well, showed some form with the bat towards the end of the series. His performance was greatly hindered by his injury. Captaincy wasn't great but not as bad as others make out, he wasn't helped by some woeful bowling options.

Strauss 3 - Has probably been the disappointment of the series from our point of view. Only one 50 and a few other starts. He seems to have avoided a lot of criticism because of a few rough decisions but the ironic thing is that those bad decisions were coupled with some very poor shots.

Cook 4 - An excellent century and a few starts. He probably wasn't ready to face the nagging examination of McGrath and Clark but isn't hindsight wonderful. Disappointing how he got out in the same manner so many times but he'll learn.

Bell 5 - An encouraging tour but could have done better. Certainly wasn't helped by suddenly being thrown in at 3 when Trescothick left. He put the demons of last year to rest and played excellently at times. I don't have any doubts over Bell's ability but his vulnerability so early on and failure to convert those 50s asks other questions.

Pietersen 8 - Our best batsman and player of the series for us. Seemed like he was playing against them on his own sometimes. Should have been playing at 4 from the start and needs to learn to bat with the tail but apart from that, a great series for him.

Collingwood 6 - A double century, a 96 and the next best score of 28. A bit more consistency would have been nice but its hard to fault him greatly. Hes not the most talented batsman but if others had shown the graft and fight he has, then we certainly wouldn't be on the wrong side of a whitewash.

+Jones 3 - Average keeping and was woefully out of form with the bat. Shouldn't have been playing. Will rightly never play for us again.

+Read 5 - Immaculate with the gloves but really needs to score some runs if he wants to play for England. He may get another chance to play test cricket but he would be lucky.

Giles 4 - He should have never been playing ahead of Panesar but thats hardly his fault. I don't think he was that bad in his two tests which were on two really flat wickets and considering he hadn't played any FC cricket for a year! I wouldn't be surprised if he played for us again in next years tour of SL but he does need to play some decent cricket for Warwickshire before then.

Panesar 7 - Did better than I thought he would to be honest, he bowled well whenever called upon and was a bit unlucky. His 7 wickets in the third test was probably the highlight of the series for me. Improving in all areas and will be a very important player for us in years to come.

Hoggard 7 - Our best bowler for me, worked hard on some flat wickets was a threat even with the old ball and was quite unlucky.

Harmison 4 - Woeful first two tests but got better. Ironically the final spell was probably his best of the series! If he had come into the series with some sort of form then his figures would have been a lot better.

Mahmood 3 - he has a lot of things going for him does Saj. Good pace, can swing and is a great athlete. He isn't ready for test cricket though and shouldn't be learning his skills in an ashes series! Back to county cricket for a bit longer but by no means a lost cause.

Anderson 4 - Just came back from a serious spinal injury with a changed action and was thrown into an ashes series. Very bizarre. Showed a bit of form in the 5th test and I still think he'll become a decent test bowler.

Thinking about it, is it really much of a surprise that we lost 5-0? We had five quite inexperienced batsman, an all rounder who was recovering from an injury and had the burden of captaincy, two keepers put under a ridiculous amount of pressure by the indecision of the selectors, a few injured bowlers and a woefully out of form strike bowler :(

Oh and well played Australia ;) Their top players were on form while the additions of Hussey and Clark to the team eliminated any weaknesses that were apparent in 2005.
 
For the first test of next summer I would play this side.

Strauss
Cook
Bell
Pietersen
Vaughan*
Collingwood
Flintoff
+Prior
Harmison
Panesar
Hoggard

A major downfall of this series has been our insistence of playing the 5 man attack. The selectors should have been asking themselves "which team has the best chance of winning a test match?" but instead they've put themselves into a bizarre situation where they've been asking "which team is most like the 2005 team?"

Thats the problem, since 2005 the situations have changed. We were without Simon Jones, Marcus Trescothick and Michael Vaughan. While we gained a few young batsman and an attacking spinner who isn't great with the willow. The balance of our best team has changed and we should have adapted so.

We need to rebuild and I think the best way to do that is to make sure we put our batting in order. If we have Prior down at 8 who can make 100s then we certainly won't lose many test matches. If we put the runs on the board then the wins will come more often that not.
 
A major downfall of this series has been our insistence of playing the 5 man attack.

Particularly when one of the bowlers - Mahmood, has hardly bowled any overs when he has played.
With Panesar bowling for long spells and others like Pietersen and Collingwood able to bowl it wasn't as if the main bowlers needed to bowl too much, it would have made sense to have another batsman in the team instead of Mahmood if the captain isn't going to give him the ball.
 
5-0 it is then :(

My end of series rankings.

*Flintoff 4 - Bowled well, showed some form with the bat towards the end of the series. His performance was greatly hindered by his injury. Captaincy wasn't great but not as bad as others make out, he wasn't helped by some woeful bowling options.

Strauss 3 - Has probably been the disappointment of the series from our point of view. Only one 50 and a few other starts. He seems to have avoided a lot of criticism because of a few rough decisions but the ironic thing is that those bad decisions were coupled with some very poor shots.

Cook 4 - An excellent century and a few starts. He probably wasn't ready to face the nagging examination of McGrath and Clark but isn't hindsight wonderful. Disappointing how he got out in the same manner so many times but he'll learn.

Bell 5 - An encouraging tour but could have done better. Certainly wasn't helped by suddenly being thrown in at 3 when Trescothick left. He put the demons of last year to rest and played excellently at times. I don't have any doubts over Bell's ability but his vulnerability so early on and failure to convert those 50s asks other questions.

Pietersen 8 - Our best batsman and player of the series for us. Seemed like he was playing against them on his own sometimes. Should have been playing at 4 from the start and needs to learn to bat with the tail but apart from that, a great series for him.

Collingwood 6 - A double century, a 96 and the next best score of 28. A bit more consistency would have been nice but its hard to fault him greatly. Hes not the most talented batsman but if others had shown the graft and fight he has, then we certainly wouldn't be on the wrong side of a whitewash.

+Jones 3 - Average keeping and was woefully out of form with the bat. Shouldn't have been playing. Will rightly never play for us again.

+Read 5 - Immaculate with the gloves but really needs to score some runs if he wants to play for England. He may get another chance to play test cricket but he would be lucky.

Giles 4 - He should have never been playing ahead of Panesar but thats hardly his fault. I don't think he was that bad in his two tests which were on two really flat wickets and considering he hadn't played any FC cricket for a year! I wouldn't be surprised if he played for us again in next years tour of SL but he does need to play some decent cricket for Warwickshire before then.

Panesar 7 - Did better than I thought he would to be honest, he bowled well whenever called upon and was a bit unlucky. His 7 wickets in the third test was probably the highlight of the series for me. Improving in all areas and will be a very important player for us in years to come.

Hoggard 7 - Our best bowler for me, worked hard on some flat wickets was a threat even with the old ball and was quite unlucky.

Harmison 4 - Woeful first two tests but got better. Ironically the final spell was probably his best of the series! If he had come into the series with some sort of form then his figures would have been a lot better.

Mahmood 3 - he has a lot of things going for him does Saj. Good pace, can swing and is a great athlete. He isn't ready for test cricket though and shouldn't be learning his skills in an ashes series! Back to county cricket for a bit longer but by no means a lost cause.

Anderson 4 - Just came back from a serious spinal injury with a changed action and was thrown into an ashes series. Very bizarre. Showed a bit of form in the 5th test and I still think he'll become a decent test bowler.

Thinking about it, is it really much of a surprise that we lost 5-0? We had five quite inexperienced batsman, an all rounder who was recovering from an injury and had the burden of captaincy, two keepers put under a ridiculous amount of pressure by the indecision of the selectors, a few injured bowlers and a woefully out of form strike bowler :(

Oh and well played Australia ;) Their top players were on form while the additions of Hussey and Clark to the team eliminated any weaknesses that were apparent in 2005.

Thanks CM, now can you do a brief review (with scores) for the Australian team. Just curious as to what scores they get.
 
I guess I can give it a go, it beats doing my actual uni work! Although I should point out that its only my own opinion and not definitive! I'm finding it quite hard to rate them actually as I believe England were pretty bad, more so than Australia being as good as they would have us believe.

*Ponting 9 - Was a bit defensive at times with his captaincy but with a 5-0 under his belt I suppose you can say he made all the right moves. Was in great form with the bat too even if he did trail off a bit towards the end. Wonderful player.
Hayden 7 - We were on top of him for most of the series bar two innings. He really doesn't like the moving ball although once the ball stops moving he is lethal.
Langer 6 - Quite a few players seemed to tail off towards the end of the series and Langer is another one. It was great to see him get a good send off in the end, hes had a fantastic career.
Hussey 9 - I just couldn't see any ideas from the England bowlers to get him out. He has quite a simple method, he loves to block and puts the bad balls away . Hes a machine with no obvious weaknesses.
Clarke 8 - Had a really good series. His two centuries were the two most fluent of the series.
Symonds 7 - I still don't think hes that good. We should have got him out a few times before he had reached 20 in the fourth test. We didn't though and full credit to him, he scored a 156 and got Australia right out of trouble.
Martyn 3 - Its safe to say we had his number. It was still very bizarre of him to retire in the way he did though. The biggest mystery of the series.
+Gilchrist 7 - Kept pretty well with the odd mistake. Looked quite scratchy with the bat at times but was another one who delivered when it mattered. That century at Perth was breathtaking!
Clark 9 - I'm not entirely sure what to make of him, he didn't seem that much of a threat but has came out of the series with the best figures of anyone. He strikes me as more dependable than eye catching, he will always keep it tight and put the ball in the right areas but I don't think he will be a match winner on the level that McGrath has. Australia already had match winners in their side though and dependability was just the thing they were looking for from a fourth bowler.
McGrath 7.5 - I don't think he bowled as well as he ever has and it was visible that age was catching up with him. He bowled in the low 70s at times! He did what was asked of him though and got wickets.
Warne 8.5 - Didn't bowl as well as he ever has, I thought we played him really well at times but like the world class player he is, he performed at the key moments in the game when Australia needed him most.
Lee 7 - Got better as the series went on. Although he does go for runs at times, he is important to the aussie attack as he has real firepower which adds good variation to the attack.

I didn't think anyone was worthy of a 10.
 
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