Cleansing

[Melton Fox]

It's hardly a relevant question - the proposal was for the whole lot to be kicked out.

Yes it is, joe made it relevant this with this sentance:

Also, you are forgetting this is a football club, there are friendships and partnerships, groups of players that get on better with each other than others etc

BTW, I'm not in the school of thought that says we should get rid of all the players, I just thought that it wouldn't matter who left City in the summer as it wouldn't spoil any on field relationships.

 

[bocadillo]

I can't give you that example as none of us train with the team each day, therefore I drew from my own experience and common sense to realise that if you bring in 22 players unknown to each other they are not going to instantly strike up partnerships off and on the field - therefore affecting the performance and being detrimental to the team.

... as was adequately demonstrated in the later Micky Adams days.

 

[SJN-Fox]

it wouldn't matter who left City in the summer as it wouldn't spoil any on field relationships.

Exactly, I can't say that I have seen anything on the field that has set me alight this season, whether through friendships or not. In fact, if some of them were to put some of their friendships aside, they might end up spending less time out on the piss till all hours and put more of an effort in on the training side of things to boost their fitness.

 

[MadFox]

Well I'm glad I started osme kind of conversation.

In regards to contracted players, in order to satisfy contractual obligations there is the small matter of consideration; ie. performance! If someone is not performing under a contract (although granted, it is objective) then a person does have a right to rescind that agreement.

And yes, we know they are all lovely lads, best mates and would go to the end of the world to help old ladies cross Narborough Road, but how keeping any of them would make an easier transition to a clean start nest season is beyond me. I'll bet any of you that the starting 11 next season - should we stay up - will contain no more than 2 players who start against Brum tomorrow night.

And beighton, I love when people make me smile

 

[bocadillo]

Well I'm glad I started osme kind of conversation.

In regards to contracted players, in order to satisfy contractual obligations there is the small matter of consideration; ie. performance! If someone is not performing under a contract (although granted, it is objective) then a person does have a right to rescind that agreement.
And yes, we know they are all lovely lads, best mates and would go to the end of the world to help old ladies cross Narborough Road, but how keeping any of them would make an easier transition to a clean start nest season is beyond me. I'll bet any of you that the starting 11 next season - should we stay up - will contain no more than 2 players who start against Brum tomorrow night.

And beighton, I love when people make me smile

Not in the case of professional footballers - they are particularly well protected in that regard and can not be sacked simply on the grounds of lack of performance. Only gross misconduct will be good enough to get rid of them and clubs will be mindful of the difficulties that we had with Dennis Wise. I think positive drug test is the only other reason that I have known for a player's contract to be terminated unilaterally without compensation.

 

[Hazzman]

Well for starters (including the relegation run-in0

Get rid of that fecking grand national, spacejam, benny hill themetune and get something more motivating on. The team come up all revved up thanks to the managers to tune of something of ''Some Mothers Do 'Ave Em''.

 

[joe501]

BTW, I'm not in the school of thought that says we should get rid of all the players, I just thought that it wouldn't matter who left City in the summer as it wouldn't spoil any on field relationships.

OK, maybe Joey Gudjonsson and Fryatt were best buds, Fryatt was scoring reguarly and his confidence was high, but then he had a sudden slump in form this season that has not really been identified...

Maybe he was so devestated that his friend for life, Joey, had left the club, that he eventually sought medical treatment for depression. This depression, (coupled with the side effects from the drugs he was now taking to ease the sorrow) was the reason that he did not apply himself fully in pre-season training, was unfit and unmotivated and therefore did not play well for Leicester!!

 

[Melton Fox]

OK, maybe Joey Gudjonsson and Fryatt were best buds, Fryatt was scoring reguarly and his confidence was high, but then he had a sudden slump in form this season that has not really been identified.!!

Sorry, my fault. I thought we were talking about the current Leicester Team.

In that case I can give you a long list of working relationships starting with Walsh & Elliot.

My apologoes Joe, I misunderstood

 

[pds]

OK, maybe Joey Gudjonsson and Fryatt were best buds, Fryatt was scoring reguarly and his confidence was high, but then he had a sudden slump in form this season that has not really been identified...

Maybe he was so devestated that his friend for life, Joey, had left the club, that he eventually sought medical treatment for depression. This depression, (coupled with the side effects from the drugs he was now taking to ease the sorrow) was the reason that he did not apply himself fully in pre-season training, was unfit and unmotivated and therefore did not play well for Leicester!!

I think everyone was slightly disappointed about Joey leaving but I never realised Matty loved him so much.

 

[pds]

Sorry, my fault. I thought we were talking about the current Leicester Team.

In that case I can give you a long list of working relationships starting with Walsh & Elliot.

My apologoes Joe, I misunderstood

I heard Claridge talking about Walshy on some programme the other night.

He said something along the lines of,

On the training ground and pitch he scared the hell out of you, off it he was the nicest bloke you could ever meet

 

[SJN-Fox]

but then he had a sudden slump in form this season that has not really been identified.

Oh, so nothing to do with injuries and little opportunity to regain proper match fitness due to the lack of a reserves league

(something which, incidentally, I think strikes at the heart of our performances this season, but that's another story).

Nothing to do with him being put back into the team before he's ready and therefore losing confidence.

No, it's all down to the fact that his bestest friend in all the world doesn't love him anymore.

ffs

 

[Melton Fox]

:icon_lol:

 

[bocadillo]

Oh, so nothing to do with {...}the lack of a reserves league (something which, incidentally, I think strikes at the heart of our performances this season, but that's another story).

No, it's not another story. It's all part of the same story - the story of a club which has been very badly led.

 

[Boy Genius]

OK, maybe Joey Gudjonsson and Fryatt were best buds, Fryatt was scoring reguarly and his confidence was high, but then he had a sudden slump in form this season that has not really been identified...

Maybe he was so devestated that his friend for life, Joey, had left the club, that he eventually sought medical treatment for depression. This depression, (coupled with the side effects from the drugs he was now taking to ease the sorrow) was the reason that he did not apply himself fully in pre-season training, was unfit and unmotivated and therefore did not play well for Leicester!!

So Fryatts drop in form was nothing to do with being caught shagging a croupier from a local casino then, and pissing his wife off?

 

[joe501]

Sorry, my fault. I thought we were talking about the current Leicester Team.

In that case I can give you a long list of working relationships starting with Walsh & Elliot.

My apologoes Joe, I misunderstood

Again, none of us know the intricacies of the relationships at the current Leicester team, so we have to speculate. I go back to your original exception, where you asked if splitting any 2 players up at Leicester City would be detrimental to the team.

Well what if Kisnorbo and.. Stearman and Nisse were also very good chums together, but the latter two were on your list to 'sack'. Hypothetically... little do we know that Kisnorbo is a player that thrives on confidence, and he had little under Levein. The new manager sacks all his buddies and brings in 20 people all with controlling personalities like Levein - all of whom Kisnorbo hates. He has a massive training ground bust up with these 20 new players and, outnumbered, battered and bruised from the 20 v 1 brawl, he leaves the club, and we lose our best defender... That would be detrimental to the team!

BTW SJNFox... it wasn't meant to be taken seriously!

 

[Melton Fox]

So Fryatts drop in form was nothing to do with being caught shagging a croupier from a local casino then, and pissing his wife off?

No, Joey left and stole his lucky pants as a keepsake

 

[Melton Fox]

Again, none of us know the intricacies of the relationships at the current Leicester team, so we have to speculate. I go back to your original exception, where you asked if splitting any 2 players up at Leicester City would be detrimental to the team.

Well what if Kisnorbo and.. Stearman and Nisse were also very good chums together, but the latter two were on your list to 'sack'. Hypothetically... little do we know that Kisnorbo is a player that thrives on confidence, and he had little under Levein. The new manager sacks all his buddies and brings in 20 people all with controlling personalities like Levein - all of whom Kisnorbo hates. He has a massive training ground bust up with these 20 new players and, outnumbered, battered and bruised from the 20 v 1 brawl, he leaves the club, and we lose our best defender... That would be detrimental to the team!

BTW SJNFox... it wasn't meant to be taken seriously!

I don't care about them being ****ing friends. I care about what goes off on the pitch, I see no evidence that there any productive relationships there at all.

They're all a bunch of selfish cnuts and I can't believe anybody could think they witness anything on that football pitch that is built on the back of a solid personal relationship. It's ****ing laughable

 

[Jeff]

Oh, so nothing to do with injuries and little opportunity to regain proper match fitness due to the lack of a reserves league

(something which, incidentally, I think strikes at the heart of our performances this season, but that's another story).

It may have been a part, but can't be completely to blame for the lack of fitness in our squad. Derby haven't played in a reserves league this season, they seem to have managed OK.

 

[Hector]

Well I'm glad I started osme kind of conversation.

In regards to contracted players, in order to satisfy contractual obligations there is the small matter of consideration; ie. performance! If someone is not performing under a contract (although granted, it is objective) then a person does have a right to rescind that agreement.

And yes, we know they are all lovely lads, best mates and would go to the end of the world to help old ladies cross Narborough Road, but how keeping any of them would make an easier transition to a clean start nest season is beyond me. I'll bet any of you that the starting 11 next season - should we stay up - will contain no more than 2 players who start against Brum tomorrow night.

And beighton, I love when people make me smile

Confused :icon_conf . Why would little old ladies on the other side of the world want to cross the Narborough Road?

 

[joe501]

I don't care about them being ****ing friends. I care about what goes off on the pitch, I see no evidence that there any productive relationships there at all.

They're all a bunch of selfish cnuts and I can't believe anybody could think they witness anything on that football pitch that is built on the back of a solid personal relationship. It's ****ing laughable

Not even the fact that Andy Johnson started playing well for a few games once Horsefield arrived?

I was trying to get across was that we should not expect a complete change, as you cannot expect a group of people to gel that quickly and play well on the pitch in such a short time frame.

To be honest it was a minor point in my first post, but it has been fun arguing with you!