Foxes Trust a question, not to do with the takeover so dont merge

[Chrysalis]

A simple question please.

Have you been asking our current board questions about the future of our club seeking assurances over certian things and making sure future debts arent been racked up due to annual losses etc.?

Have you been happy with decisions regarding things like the scrapping of the reserves, lack of money for loan deals, lack of ability to attract a good football manager, length of time to sack craig levein, all football related decisions?

If so why isnt this been passed on to your members or published on your website.

Thank you.

 

[bocadillo]

Don't forget that neither the Board nor the FT can do two things at once, on their own admission - so don't expect any answers to this. I would have expected them to have something to say about the recent issue that really did affect supporters - the moving of the game at cardiff with only 8 days notice. But have we heard a word about it, either on here or on the FT website? Have we heck!!

A really good move that was, wasn't it boyo? Brought in a really massive crowd of 12,057 - significantly smaller than any midweek crowd that Cardiff games have attracted this season! No better sign that short-notice changes do not work because people have already arranged to do different things. Supporters shafted - but the FT (the suppporters' representative) doesn't appear to have a word to say about it!

 

[newtonfox]

Don't forget that neither the Board nor the FT can do two things at once, on their own admission - so don't expect any answers to this. I would have expected them to have something to say about the recent issue that really did affect supporters - the moving of the game at cardiff with only 8 days notice. But have we heard a word about it, either on here or on the FT website? Have we heck!!

A really good move that was, wasn't it boyo? Brought in a really massive crowd of 12,057 - significantly smaller than any midweek crowd that Cardiff games have attracted this season! No better sign that short-notice changes do not work because people have already arranged to do different things. Supporters shafted - but the FT (the suppporters' representative) doesn't appear to have a word to say about it!

the problem with the FT started when they started to get shares in the club IMO

 

[Foxes_Trust]

Don't forget that neither the Board nor the FT can do two things at once, on their own admission - so don't expect any answers to this. I would have expected them to have something to say about the recent issue that really did affect supporters - the moving of the game at cardiff with only 8 days notice. But have we heard a word about it, either on here or on the FT website? Have we heck!!

A really good move that was, wasn't it boyo? Brought in a really massive crowd of 12,057 - significantly smaller than any midweek crowd that Cardiff games have attracted this season! No better sign that short-notice changes do not work because people have already arranged to do different things. Supporters shafted - but the FT (the suppporters' representative) doesn't appear to have a word to say about it!

No member raised it with us as an issue, the only comment we received was positive preferring to travel on a Saturday to an evening match, hence we had no mandate to question the decision.

 

[Jeff]

No member raised it with us as an issue, the only comment we received was positive preferring to travel on a Saturday to an evening match, hence we had no mandate to question the decision.

OK, I'll raise it with you.

Why did tyhe club decide to change the date without consulting supporters?

Why did they not warn supporters in advance that it may change - when apparently then knew it could happen well before it was announced?

Do they not think that people may have already made plans, and changing at short notice costs people money as well as inconvenience?

 

[Foxes_Trust]

A simple question please.

Have you been asking our current board questions about the future of our club seeking assurances over certian things and making sure future debts arent been racked up due to annual losses etc.?

Have you been happy with decisions regarding things like the scrapping of the reserves, lack of money for loan deals, lack of ability to attract a good football manager, length of time to sack craig levein, all football related decisions?

If so why isnt this been passed on to your members or published on your website.

Thank you.

The main way have worked means the vast majority of questions are raised in one to one meetings or at the LCFC board meeting, so questions are raised & views put across.

With no parachute payment, the club budgeted for a significant loss this season, if the budget was maintained we would have no major cause for concern. However we anticipate the losses will exceed the budget and our concerns have been raised as to how this will be addressed if the takeover doesn't proceed.

Although as a result of the Premier League, we have stated our opposition to the removal of reserve fixtures, in terms of both the lack of regular games for squad members, to the lack of the ability of fans to watch the games (a number of our members complained to us as soon as the decision was announced).

The decisiion of not entering another reserve League seemed to be a mixture of cost savings (little travel) plus a concern we would have been playing lesser quality reserve sides in comparison to having friendlies against clubs in a similar position (mainly Midlands clubs).

Lack of money for loan deals - see "exceeded budgeted losses" above, part of this is due to spending more in the summer for the 4 signings than originally budgeted + the failure to move out more unwanted players early in the season. Part of the problem is also MM needs to be in agreement on any signings, because if we signed someone without MM's agreement, he could change his bid yet again.

At the time of Rob's appointment, most fans said it was a "no brainer", Levein's appointment was less expected, but was one the Trust backed given his track record in Scotland. What you term "a good football manager" goes down to personal opinion. As an example with today's paper stories again stating MM would bring in Dowie, does he fit that bill? - our conversations with Trust's where he has managed have not been that encouraging which is a concern if the paper talk is proved correct.

 

[Foxes_Trust]

OK, I'll raise it with you.

Why did tyhe club decide to change the date without consulting supporters?

Why did they not warn supporters in advance that it may change - when apparently then knew it could happen well before it was announced?

Do they not think that people may have already made plans, and changing at short notice costs people money as well as inconvenience?

Bit a late to ask now re Cardiff , but we will take it up with the club in terms of shifting fixtures at short notice in the future & the need to consult

 

[Jeff]

Bit a late to ask now re Cardiff

By the time they announced it it was too late to do anything about it anyway, they wouldn't have reversed their decision after announcing the change.

If they'd said there was a possibility it could change, as soon as they knew, at least there would have been a chance to give some feedback.

 

[Stevie Lynex on the wing]

What you term "a good football manager" goes down to personal opinion. As an example with today's paper stories again stating MM would bring in Dowie, does he fit that bill? - our conversations with Trust's where he has managed have not been that encouraging which is a concern if the paper talk is proved correct.

I am pleased to see the above statement as I have always thought that Dowie does not fit the bill as manger of LCFC.

 

[Real Sharapova]

I am pleased to see the above statement as I have always thought that Dowie does not fit the bill as manger of LCFC.

Me too, he's made a career out of one successful season IMO.

 

[bocadillo]

No member raised it with us as an issue, the only comment we received was positive preferring to travel on a Saturday to an evening match, hence we had no mandate to question the decision.

In other words, you are at home with the concept of the Club shafting supporters as long as they not amongst your members?

Could I ask whether any of your members has raised the question of the ticket prices for the game at Portman Road? Surely at least one of them feels aggrieved that Ipswich Town is charging more to Leicester fans who occupy exactly similar accommodation to their own fans - this in contravention of Football League rules and contrary to the minimum standard of their own (Ipswich Town's) Customer Charter. If none of your members has raised the matter with you, do you think it could be that they believe you are a toothless organisation that has something other than their interest at heart?

 

[Durham Fox]

In other words, you are at home with the concept of the Club shafting supporters as long as they not amongst your members?

Could I ask whether any of your members has raised the question of the ticket prices for the game at Portman Road? Surely at least one of them feels aggrieved that Ipswich Town is charging more to Leicester fans who occupy exactly similar accommodation to their own fans - this in contravention of Football League rules and contrary to the minimum standard of their own (Ipswich Town's) Customer Charter. If none of your members has raised the matter with you, do you think it could be that they believe you are a toothless organisation that has something other than their interest at heart?

Boc, these guys are busy trying to discredit Milan Mandaric, please leave them to their valuable work.

 

[bocadillo]

Bit a late to ask now re Cardiff , but we will take it up with the club in terms of shifting fixtures at short notice in the future & the need to consult

I don't think that it is too late to raise it, as I am continuing to do with the proper persons. In this way the club would be certain to know that their actions did inconvenience people and cause them extra expense. It should also cause them to consider what they should do if a similar situation arrises in the future.

I am somewhat surprised that the FT seems to have a 'whatever has happened, has happened' attitude on this matter and is not looking to improve things in the future. But perhaps I expect too much from the Foxes Trust.

 

[Foxes_Trust]

Could I ask whether any of your members has raised the question of the ticket prices for the game at Portman Road? Surely at least one of them feels aggrieved that Ipswich Town is charging more to Leicester fans who occupy exactly similar accommodation to their own fans - this in contravention of Football League rules and contrary to the minimum standard of their own (Ipswich Town's) Customer Charter. If none of your members has raised the matter with you, do you think it could be that they believe you are a toothless organisation that has something other than their interest at heart?

We are aware of this one, don't forget our club is equally guilty this season over offering cheaper tickets to our fans but not Barnsley's (known as local promotion syndrome)

 

[drew]

I am somewhat surprised that the FT seems to have a 'whatever has happened, has happened' attitude on this matter and is not looking to improve things in the future. But perhaps I expect too much from the Foxes Trust.

Maybe they have been speaking to RK a bit to much.

 

[Durham Fox]

We are aware of this one, don't forget our club is equally guilty this season over offering cheaper tickets to our fans but not Barnsley's (known as local promotion syndrome)

Not applicable in this instance though.

 

[Foxes_Trust]

I don't think that it is too late to raise it, as I am continuing to do with the proper persons. In this way the club would be certain to know that their actions did inconvenience people and cause them extra expense. It should also cause them to consider what they should do if a similar situation arrises in the future.

I am somewhat surprised that the FT seems to have a 'whatever has happened, has happened' attitude on this matter and is not looking to improve things in the future. But perhaps I expect too much from the Foxes Trust.

Erm, would you like to re-read

Originally Posted by Foxes_Trust
Bit a late to ask now re Cardiff , but WE WILL TAKE IT UP with the club in terms of shifting fixtures at short notice in the future & the need to consult

So we are looking to improve things

 

[bocadillo]

We are aware of this one, don't forget our club is equally guilty this season over offering cheaper tickets to our fans but not Barnsley's (known as local promotion syndrome)

No, that was not the same - although I was against that too. City acted within the rules - Ipswich are acting outside the rules.

How can you possibly make a statement such as the above and expect people to show you any respect at all?

 

[bocadillo]

Erm, would you like to re-read

Originally Posted by Foxes_Trust
Bit a late to ask now re Cardiff , but WE WILL TAKE IT UP with the club in terms of shifting fixtures at short notice in the future & the need to consult

So we are looking to improve things

I apologise in as far as I now accept that you will take this up for the future. I still don't agree that it is too late to take the matter up regarding the Cardiff game. Fans were shafted - you seem to have no care about it.

I note your failure to respond to my question in an earlier post about whether "you are at home with the concept of the Club shafting supporters as long as they not amongst your members".

 

[Jeff]

No, that was not the same - although I was against that too. City acted within the rules - Ipswich are acting outside the rules.

The OS is now showing prices as £26 - rather than the £27 it said previously - but the price for U16s has gone up by a pound, and seniors down by a pound.

So maybe it wasn't Ipswich charging too much, but our OS giving incorrect information. Either that or the price has changed since it was first announced.