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Hazzman said:
Yes but with the Walkers we substanly made it open to sponsors and families. So with the added success factor, the crowds would have be averaging 30k maybe in a season of MON's period.
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If we would average 30,000 at the Walkers under MON that would be lower than the average we got under Micky Adams. So what did you mean by "Imagine the MON days if we had the Walkers."?

And what does substanly mean?
 
I know none of you are going to believe me again, so fukk you before you start.

We have got planning permission to build on top of the East Stand. If we stayed up that season in the Prem, the stand WOULD have definitley been built
 
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By the time MON had his last season here, imo the fans had started to take success for granted and the average prem game didn't seem any big deal. What would we give now just to play a prem game:icon_conf
 
Jeff said:
If we would average 30,000 at the Walkers under MON that would be lower than the average we got under Micky Adams. So what did you mean by "Imagine the MON days if we had the Walkers."?

And what does substanly mean?
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Well MON days would be mean constant capacity crowds. The money side would be boosted massively surely. In the Adams era, we had the stadium factor and the good season and then the premiership off the crest of wave. If we had stayed and stablised in the Premier, then crowds would slow down. In the first season we got about 19k for the second league game at the season on a Saturday, it proved that season relied massively on success. IMO, if O'Neill was there we would have had less 'success' fan who were there for the ride. Dont get wrong MON's days were full of this type of fan, its just this fan with the introduction of the new stadium would see them as new season ticket holder.
 
Melton Fox said:
I know none of you are going to believe me again, so fukk you before you start.

We have got planning permission to build on top of the East Stand. If we stayed up that season in the Prem, the stand WOULD have definitley been built
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I had that off a Forest fan, he was depressed that Leicester would have the biggest ground in the Midlands bar Villa Park.
 
Hazzman said:
Well MON days would be mean constant capacity crowds.
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If we rarely failed to sell out a 22,000 capacity stadium under MON, why do you think we would have constant capacity crowds at the Walkers?


Hazzman said:
The money side would be boosted massively surely. In the Adams era, we had the stadium factor and the good season and then the premiership off the crest of wave. If we had stayed and stablised in the Premier, then crowds would slow down.
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But the crowds dropped after a couple of years in the Premiership under MON, and there were usually a couple of thousand empty seats. Why do you think it would be different in a new stadium?


Hazzman said:
In the first season we got about 19k for the second league game at the season on a Saturday,
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No we didn't. We got 23000.


Hazzman said:
it proved that season relied massively on success. IMO, if O'Neill was there we would have had less 'success' fan who were there for the ride. Dont get wrong MON's days were full of this type of fan, its just this fan with the introduction of the new stadium would see them as new season ticket holder.
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Not sure what point you're trying to make there. While obviously success has something to do with the crowds, virtually all clubs have seen big rises in attendances when they move into a new stadium, so that would have happened anyway, regardless of who was in charge. Usually attendances drop off after a few years.

So if we had extended the ground we may have made use of some of the extra capacity for a few games a season, if we'd stayed in the Premiership. But then we might end up in the position Sunderland are in, with a stadium that will rarely be filled even after giving thousands of free tickets away.
 
Jeff said:
I'd have thought f*rest fans are more likely to be depressed that d*rby currently have the biggest ground in the midlands bar Villa Park.
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They get confused
 
Jeff said:
If we rarely failed to sell out a 22,000 capacity stadium under MON, why do you think we would have constant capacity crowds at the Walkers?
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All the reasons we got 32k under Adams really. MON would have got more long-term fans however due to the club succeeding the Premier.


Jeff said:
But the crowds dropped after a couple of years in the Premiership under MON, and there were usually a couple of thousand empty seats. Why do you think it would be different in a new stadium?
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It is a probelm and one I can not justify with a judgement. The same happens with European Football unless its the Champions League.



Jeff said:
No we didn't. We got 23000.
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I have proven wrong there. It must have been the Stoke game from last year on the mind which was 20k even so.


Jeff said:
Not sure what point you're trying to make there. While obviously success has something to do with the crowds, virtually all clubs have seen big rises in attendances when they move into a new stadium, so that would have happened anyway, regardless of who was in charge. Usually attendances drop off after a few years.

So if we had extended the ground we may have made use of some of the extra capacity for a few games a season, if we'd stayed in the Premiership. But then we might end up in the position Sunderland are in, with a stadium that will rarely be filled even after giving thousands of free tickets away .
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I think extension would be silly. 40k is a touch too much. I believe that whereas with Adams in the Premier we had capacity crowds for lets say the top 10 teams, with MON at the reign we would have had capacity crowds for 15-16 of the games.
 
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One reason for the "low" attendances in the last years at Filbert Street was the stadium design (or lack of it!). There were several occasions when I wanted tickets, only to be told they were sold out - most home games were said to be - yet the recorded attendances were well under the theoretical capacity.

Reasons for that, apart from "no shows" were unsold seats in the away section and, particularly, the number of blanked off seats for segregation - for some games that area was quite substantial. Even at the Walkers, segregation has meant attendances a thousand or so below capacity when "sold out"

This is quite common with many other grounds too, though it does of course vary with design etc.
 
Melton Fox said:
I know none of you are going to believe me again, so fukk you before you start.

We have got planning permission to build on top of the East Stand. If we stayed up that season in the Prem, the stand WOULD have definitley been built
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best do something about it soon then as it will only last for 5 years, so we either need to make a start on it or try to renew the application.
 
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