Why we should be protesting against those running our club

[Brown Nose]

I felt this needed a specific thread rather than comments across several.

The protest on Saturday will be the start. For those oblivious to some of the awful behaviours shown by club personnel over the last few years, maybe read this thread.

 

[Brown Nose]

Please turn out if you can. Only fans will change the direction our club is going.

 

[pork pie fox]

I felt this needed a specific thread rather than comments across several.

The protest on Saturday will be the start. For those oblivious to some of the awful behaviours shown by club personnel over the last few years, maybe read this thread.

I agree that it deserves its own thread.

I’ve just read that thread you’ve posted, it’s absolutely shocking. Scary how oppressive the club seem to be towards dissenters.

 

[Brown Nose]

RvN was asked about the protest today and spoke very well.

Hopefully the local media will start reporting the situation better.

 

[popillius]

I felt this needed a specific thread rather than comments across several.

The protest on Saturday will be the start. For those oblivious to some of the awful behaviours shown by club personnel over the last few years, maybe read this thread.

What I see on this thread is a fan, unhappy at being told that he can't stand up on the seats and act a ****, throwing his toys out of the pram because he got a telling off and a statement from UFS (two of whom I know to be complete ****ing arseholes of the kind who would almost certainly have been involved in setting off fireworks) providing little or no information about what actually transpired or any evidence of the way in which their appeals were handled.

The club is a ****ing mess at the moment but there's so much more to be concerned about than this kind of petty nonsense which just takes away focus from the actual deterioration of the club both in and off the pitch.

 

[homer]

Not the best example, BN - a complete twat letting off flares FFS

 

[Brown Nose]

Not the best example, BN - a complete twat letting off flares FFS

He maintains that he didn't and the club admit that there was no video evidence of him doing it either.

He was punished because he could be identified and was in the vicinity.

When I get a chance, I'll share other stories of fans being treated in such a ridiculous manner that it is very difficult to ever trust the club version of events.

 

[popillius]

He maintains that he didn't and the club admit that there was no video evidence of him doing it either.

He was punished because he could be identified and was in the vicinity.

When I get a chance, I'll share other stories of fans being treated in such a ridiculous manner that it is very difficult to ever trust the club version of events.

I'd suggest that it's equally as difficult if not far more difficult to believe the UFS version of events.

 

[HFox]

Not the best example, BN - a complete twat letting off flares FFS

He didn't let off a flare.

He was within in a section where a flare went off. The club have no conclusive evidence for it. Their words 'on the balance of probablity'. Having spoken to Dan, the CCTV coverage is extremely poor and literally barely anything can be made out.

The sanctions committee is headed up by the same head of the appeals committee.

My wider understanding is that the whole process is a fifteen minute appointment where there is no attempt at giving over your account (effectively of an incident you aren't party of).

 

[HFox]

Btw another UFS member got a ban and when asked to see the CCTV video - the club said that the coverage was corrupted and couldn't; be viewed!

The heavy handed nature coincides with the appointment of someone from the Ricoh Arena. Which also has a timeline with the ridiculous amount of third party Showsec stewards which have been introduced

 

[SilverFox]

I’d be interested in looking at this from a legal perspective. Starting point are the terms on the ticket. I’d like to see those terms. I’d also like to see the surrounding documents and club’s decision. I’d look without fee. I’m genuinely interested.

 

[HFox]

Cracking section of the appeals letter here:

Whilst the Club cannot ascertain exactly which individuals) set the devices off, because of the actions you took as a group to conceal their identity, the Appeals Committee was satisfied that, if it was not you that set one or more devices off, you at the very least took positive action to assist the individual(s) who did. As a result, the Appeals Committee determined that the Sanctions Committee had acted correctly in imposing a sanction upon you and moved to consider whether the sanction imposed was appropriate and proportionate.

 

[SilverFox]

Cracking section of the appeals letter here:

Whilst the Club cannot ascertain exactly which individuals) set the devices off, because of the actions you took as a group to conceal their identity, the Appeals Committee was satisfied that, if it was not you that set one or more devices off, you at the very least took positive action to assist the individual(s) who did. As a result, the Appeals Committee determined that the Sanctions Committee had acted correctly in imposing a sanction upon you and moved to consider whether the sanction imposed was appropriate and proportionate.

What a load of nonsense that is.

 

[Miles Away]

Cracking section of the appeals letter here:

Whilst the Club cannot ascertain exactly which individuals) set the devices off, because of the actions you took as a group to conceal their identity, the Appeals Committee was satisfied that, if it was not you that set one or more devices off, you at the very least took positive action to assist the individual(s) who did. As a result, the Appeals Committee determined that the Sanctions Committee had acted correctly in imposing a sanction upon you and moved to consider whether the sanction imposed was appropriate and proportionate.

****ing hell

 

[popillius]

I have no problem with it I'm afraid. If some complete **** (**** no.1) wants to let flares or fireworks off in an enclosed space at a football match full of people who have paid to be there without fear of injury or thick smoke, and then some other **** (**** no.2) assists in making it impossible to bring **** no.1 to justice, then they're both as culpable as each other. **** 'em. Pair of ****s.

Perhaps if UFS helped the club to find the twats involved then justice would be fairly distributed but they won't be doing this. Ever.

 

[HFox]

I have no problem with it I'm afraid. If some complete **** (**** no.1) wants to let flares or fireworks off in an enclosed space at a football match full of people who have paid to be there without fear of injury or thick smoke, and then some other **** (**** no.2) assists in making it impossible to bring **** no.1 to justice, then they're both as culpable as each other. **** 'em. Pair of ****s.

Perhaps if UFS helped the club to find the twats involved then justice would be fairly distributed but they won't be doing this. Ever.

There’s no evidence he assisted anyone? There’s no evidence he even knows who let it off. That association determines pre mediation. If you were unlucky enough to be wearing black and nearby, you’d get associated or do the club look at the faces etc? And assume?

The club inferred that the assistance. He was just stood nearby them within the away end

Interestingly within the replies to the original post there are examples of non UFS members

Why does a generally placid, apathetic fanbase have the second largest banning orders in the country?

 

[popillius]

There’s no evidence he assisted anyone? There’s no evidence he even knows who let it off

The club inferred that. He was just stood nearby them within the away end

So nobody saw who it was or knew who it was. He couldn't describe who it was and couldn't see which direction it was coming from. No one from UFS knows the person who let off the flare.

Like I say, as a group, they're not doing themselves any favours at all.

 

[HFox]

So nobody saw who it was or knew who it was. He couldn't describe who it was and couldn't see which direction it was coming from. No one from UFS knows the person who let off the flare.

Like I say, as a group, they're not doing themselves any favours at all.

You seem to be pre determining the event involved UFS on this example.

 

[Blue Maniac]

I have no problem with it I'm afraid. If some complete **** (**** no.1) wants to let flares or fireworks off in an enclosed space at a football match full of people who have paid to be there without fear of injury or thick smoke, and then some other **** (**** no.2) assists in making it impossible to bring **** no.1 to justice, then they're both as culpable as each other. **** 'em. Pair of ****s.

Perhaps if UFS helped the club to find the twats involved then justice would be fairly distributed but they won't be doing this. Ever.

A lot of supposition seems to have gone into both the club’s decision and the subsequent review, which seems to have been conducted by at least one of the same people. If fans are acting the twat I’m definitely in favour of banning/killing them, but if there’s no evidence they did then sanctioning them despite that smells pretty strongly of vendetta.

Only to be expected, I guess, in a country whose criminal justice system so frequently convicts people without conclusive evidence.

 

[HFox]