fitz
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Tell it to the Dutch
Don't have to, pretty sure they will be fully aware of how much they've under achieved.
Tell it to the Dutch
I read Hodgsons comments as "this upstart has forced me to rethink my predetermined and established forward line and for that I'm annoyed. I'm still going to play my favorites mind...but now I have to look like a twat doing it".
I genuinely think Hodgson would rather do without Vardy and having to answer for him. He'd much rather pick Wellbeck and Sturridge when they play four games in April.
I genuinely think Hodgson would rather do without Vardy and having to answer for him. He'd much rather pick Wellbeck and Sturridge when they play four games in April.
I think your right Jeff, but the problem Hodgson has is finding an effective role for a player who in international terms is a bit of a maverick. Vardy doesn't fit in to the established view of a centre forward, which means your traditional tactical plans don't work very well where Vardy is concerned. You want him in the team, but where to play him, stick him on the left wing, you neutralise him, put him in the middle and one of the more conventional forwards has to give way, you also have to play a different type of football, quicker more spontaneous than the usual international stuff. So the question is or at least one of them, is Hodgson willing to sacrifice his tried and tested formula to accommodate a maverick, who might just win you important games because of his style of play is different to anything else you have available?Hodgson clearly likes Vardy. He selected Vardy at the end of last season, when he hadn't scored many goals in the Premier League, and he got criticised for it.
He has a history of playing players out of position, including players who are established internationals.
Nope, you're all wrong and Woy is right I'm afraid.
There is absolutely no reason whatsoever why Vardy cannot impress in a left sided forward role. He's played there many times. For example, it was the role he did best in for Fleetwood and the one that earned him his move to us. My point is that it's hardly an alien role to him and he has ample opportunity there to show what he's made of.
The reason he's been poor playing there for England is because he's been poor, not because of where on the pitch he's been. He plays like he has an inferiority complex and I think Woy is intimating the same.
Firstly, he needs to adapt to International football (which he hasn't in any way, shape or form) and only then it is worthwhile having a conversation about where he would perform best.
He might get a bit of winding up by the Watford players too but I think that will spur him on even more.To me, it doesn't matter whether you are right or not as we all have opinions but I agree with Lako and others that Vardy has been hung out to dry by Hodgson.
Where is the evidence that Vardy has ever said he only wants to play in the middle upfront?
If I were Vards, I would be absolutely seething and I'm surprised he hasn't come out and said he's happy to play anywhere any manager decides to place him.
I think all this will have an effect on his game tomorrow. I'll be very surprised if he scores.
If this truly is a thing for Vardy, then do you honestly think Woy has helped his player this week by basically singling him out amongst all the England bum boys as some sort of lucky little boy who's exploits in the league aren't evidence enough that he deserves his place in the team?
Woy has dropped a bollock on this one I'm afraid.
Oh and can anyone name an English striker currently better placed to play down the middle?
Again you have missed the point. Vardy has not started all four games, in the one he has he's been played out of position, and on one occasion on a pitch which was so poor it made everyone look bad. No one is looking for preferential treatment, I'm not sure what your statistics are meant to prove, they are meaningless because there is no context. All of the above players have gone at least four games without scoring, irrespective of the position they have played within the team, some of them have gone many more games. If Walcott can only score 8 times in 42 starts its a poor return, the same goes for Welbeck, and Sturridge. Kane scored two in one game, so he's gone four games without scoring. The only player who has been worth his place is Rooney, however he form is very poor as is Kane's at this point in time. So the question still remains why not play Vardy down the middle.I think Woy was asked a question and he answered it quite fairly and honestly. I think he's absolutely right to be saying to Vardy that it is up to him to prove his value to the England team and it is undeniable that he has done nothing of the sort to date.
I'm sure that the likes of Walcott and Welbeck would also prefer a central role but they have usually been asked to play wide attacking roles for England too. It's hardly a case of Vardy being singled out.
In that last game on the artificial surface, Vardy had opportunities through the middle on numerous occasions and he hid from the ball or took the safe option. In short, he didn't play anything like he does for us.
In terms of who should be preferred in the central role, what has Vardy done in an England shirt to get preferential treatment? My list of England strikers by right to play in the central role according to their scoring records:
1. Rooney 50 goals in 107 games
2. Kane 3 goals in 6 games
3. Welbeck 14 goals in 33 games
4. Sturridge 5 goals in 16 games
5. Walcott 8 goals in 42 games
6. Vardy 0 goals in 4 games
All the above list of players have only had intermittent spells as the central striker and all have scored goals from wide or deep lying attacking positions; except Vardy.
If Vardy plays well enough and starts scoring for England, everything else will take care of itself. But it does him no favours to blame others if this doesn't happen.
Vardy is currently a magnificent forward for Leicester and a poor one for England.
How is giving a striker in the form of his life and outperforming all of his colleagues a start in a friendly in his position 'preferential treatment
People are too hard on Rooney, IMO. All the other players who have scored a lot of goals for England, have scored goals against lesser opponents. That's not connected necessarily to the debate about Vardy, but I still though I'd put it out there.
I think my feeling about people being too hard on Rooney went out of the window when he slated the fans who paid thousands to watch him and his bellend mates swan about a bit.
Sorry BN, your entitled to your opinion.......
I think your right Jeff, but the problem.......
To me, it doesn't matter whether you are .....
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