Championship 16/17

[Matt_B]

From a tweet


From a tweet: "Ref has told players it was a foul on the edge of the box by Gayle."

Didn't Gayle take the penalty?

 

[pork pie fox]

Didn't Gayle take the penalty?

No, that was Ritchie, wasn't it?

 

[Matt_B]

No, that was Ritchie, wasn't it?

Yeah just seen that. Talk sport said Gayle took it at the time.

 

[Jeff]

The ref has apologised. It was for encroachment, so it should have been retaken.

How can a ref get something like that wrong?

 

[FIF]

The ref has apologised. It was for encroachment, so it should have been retaken.

How can a ref get something like that wrong?

He's human, surpising that the other 3 referees didn't say something. Time for technology to take over.

 

[Lako42]

He's human, surpising that the other 3 referees didn't say something. Time for technology to take over.

Being human isn't an excuse for not knowing a clear and easy rule.

Getting a decision wrong like a foul is a result of being human, not knowing the rules is simply bad performance.

 

[fox58]

Proves refferees takes no notice of what the players say to them after they make a decision.

 

[FIF]

Being human isn't an excuse for not knowing a clear and easy rule.

Getting a decision wrong like a foul is a result of being human, not knowing the rules is simply bad performance.

Do you know every "rule" regarding your job?

I'm a teacher, a pretty good one, but I certainly don't know all the rules concerning teaching.

So the guy didn't know a sub-clause of a rule - he had 3 other guys there working with him, I guess they didn't either.

 

[Jeff]

Do you know every "rule" regarding your job?

I'm a teacher, a pretty good one, but I certainly don't know all the rules concerning teaching.

So the guy didn't know a sub-clause of a rule - he had 3 other guys there working with him, I guess they didn't either.

I knew the rule, anyone with a decent interest in football should know it. There's no excuse at all for a referee to get that decision wrong.

 

[FIF]

I knew the rule, anyone with a decent interest in football should know it. There's no excuse at all for a referee to get that decision wrong.

Okay. All FOUR of them got it wrong. Time for Technology to take over, as I said.

 

[Jeff]

Okay. All FOUR of them got it wrong. Time for Technology to take over, as I said.

How would technology help, if people don't know the laws of the game?

 

[Robin127]

It's not exactly an obscure rule.

 

[FIF]

How would technology help, if people don't know the laws of the game?

AI would know the laws of the game after they were input.

 

[FIF]

It's not exactly an obscure rule.

The point is ALL FOUR referees made the error. That's 100% of the refs at the match.

 

[Blaarev]

The point is ALL FOUR referees made the error. That's 100% of the refs at the match.

That would also be the team who would use the technology, wouldn't it? If so they would probably not change the decision.

 

[FIF]

That would also be the team who would use the technology, wouldn't it? If so they would probably not change the decision.

Why bother with a team of officials? They are obviously inept or corrupt from what you are saying. Let a computer evaluate everything and bypass the refs - or stop complaining of course.

 

[Jeff]

That would also be the team who would use the technology, wouldn't it? If so they would probably not change the decision.

FIF wants robot referees.

I would think the ref is the one who got the decision wrong, and the others didn't know why he'd given the free kick, or were too scared / unsure of themselves to tell him they disagreed with him - he's the boss.

 

[Jeff]

Keith Hackett in the Telegraph:

Keith Stroud's mistake at Newcastle was unforgivable and suddenly we've become the laughing stock of referees around the world.

I've been inundated with emails from referees from all over the world and our reputation is tarnished by it.

By awarding an indirect free-kick to Burton Albion, for apparent encroachment when Matt Ritchie took the penalty for Newcastle, Stroud has committed a huge basic error.

He has failed to apply the law and within the remit of the Football Association there could be a suspension served of up to 35 days.

The FA has invoked it in the past with referees that have committed major mistakes and it will be interesting to see if they decide on similar punishment.

This could have had massive consequences, for both Newcastle and Burton, and you simply cannot make such a basic mistake. Fortunately, the referee got away with it because Newcastle won the game but everybody is talking about the incident.

Keith Stroud is one of the most experienced referees in the league who has officiated as a select group referee in his career.

It's been compounded by having an experienced fourth official plus his two assistants on the line who have the ability to question why he's awarded an indirect free-kick, but I'm amazed they didn't intervene.

This is another classic case of a referee not being assisted - they changed the title from linesman to assistant referees with the intention of them assisting but they haven't done it.

Rafael Benitez is a very experienced manager who is a sound individual and an excellent knowledge of the laws. He's picked it up very quicky and alerted the officials to what happened on Wednesday night but nobody listened.


The PGMOL cannot just laugh it off with a statement, which was released at the speed of light shortly after the final whistle.

I've always thought that referees should be made to pass an annual test and this has just enforced it.

In fairness to the PGMOL, they and the FA notify match officials pretty quickly if there are changes to the law but a test should still be applied.

The rest of Europe do the tests but there's an arrogance about it here, where we don't think it needs to be done.

Keith Hackett is a former referee and resident expert for You-Are-The-Ref.com

 

[FIF]

FIF wants robot referees.

I would think the ref is the one who got the decision wrong, and the others didn't know why he'd given the free kick, or were too scared / unsure of themselves to tell him they disagreed with him - he's the boss.

They are supposed to be assistant referees. There is clearly a systemic problem. Get it sorted.

btw don't confuse Robots with AI or simply computers. It really isn't that difficult.

 

[Jeff]

It really isn't that difficult.

Actually, using AI to make refereeing decisions is extremely difficult. It'll be a long time before that happens, if at all.