Do we want Premier League football as fans?

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Matt_B

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I know most will say what a stupid question, but I was thinking about it this morning and wrote the following blog post. Seeing as most won't read it, I wondered what people thought on here. I can't really see many big upsides to playing in the Premier League when you break it down:

http://www.mattbeighton.co.uk/2011/05/31/why-would-fans-want-premier-league-football/

This week saw jubilation for thousands of fans as Stevenage, Peterborough and Swansea won promotion to a higher tier of football. Swansea will join Norwich and QPR in reaping the huge financial benefits of playing Premier League football, estimated to be around £90million, though of course none of this will end up in the fans’ pockets.

But what about their fans? What is the benefit?

As a Leicester City fan, it is easy to assume I am just bitter that we missed out on the playoffs this season, but I have experienced the delight of winning at Wembley and feeling the emotion of a promotion (and relegation) season. I know how those fans are feeling right now. But the question that occurred to me as I showered this morning is, is it in the fan’s best interest to get promoted to the Premier League? Why do we all strive for it?

There is certainly no financial benefit for the fan when their team reaches the hallowed land, QPR have increased their ticket and season ticket prices by up to 70% in real terms*, a trend followed by a large section of the Premier League clubs according to this article in The Mirror. The only club that seems to be doing a good deal is Blackburn Rovers, so there really is no financial incentive for the average fan. Plenty for the chairman though.

What about the quality of football? Well here it all boils down to how you define quality. Is it defined by the quality of the player on the pitch or, as I am inclined to believe, by the quality of the entertainment that the game and season can provide? Football is an entertainment industry, although it plays by its own rules in terms of emotion and commitment, so I have to plump for the second option. This season has seen the tightest finish in the Premier League for years, so I can’t argue the entertainment value there; however the Championship was as tight and has been a roller coaster for years. Above all else I go to watch a football match to see my team play well and hopefully win. The chances of this happening should we get promoted are a lot more slim than they are in the Championship.

I don’t buy the oft fought argument that the Premier League is the best division in the world either, any more. The best players in the world play in Spain now, this was more than evident in the Champion’s League Final this last week. The points haul for Manchester United, the Premier League winners, this season wasn’t enough to finish 3rd in the last few seasons, so the quality is certainly seeming to drop off.

So if it’s all the same to you, I’d prefer to watch us play well and be competitive in the Championship.

So what can it be? The elation and emotion of being promoted, particularly through the roller coaster of the playoffs, can’t be denied. I can’t help feel though that the shine will be taken off somewhat when the first payment for your shiny, new, 50% more expensive season ticket hits your account on the same day as you watch your team fold over and lose 3-1 on a wet Tuesday evening in front of 12,000 Wigan fans.

Talk about living the dream.

Oh and of course, don’t forget how much control Sky will have over your club. Forget about the 3pm Saturday kick off time. Last season, Manchester United didn’t kick off a game at 3pm on a Saturday until 2nd October. After that, they only kicked off at the historically standard time 8 more times. When Sky tell you to jump, in the Premier League, you just bend over and do as Scudamore and Murdoch command.

Of course, should Leicester City be promoted this coming season then I will be there with the best of them renewing my season ticket and being confident that we can be the next team to defy the odds and not come straight back down. For 50% more money.

Thoughts?
 
Sorry for being flippant, but I want Leicester to be successful and that involves doing as well as they can.

What make you think we won't play well and be competitive in the Prem? We'd have different expectations in the Prem to what counts as playing well, we'd enjoy a victory over ManUtd, Chelsea or ManCity 100x more than we would one against the top teams in the Championship. We'd enjoy a well earned draw with Liverpool 100x more than you would a well earned draw with QPR.
 
Sorry for being flippant, but I want Leicester to be successful and that involves doing as well as they can.

What make you think we won't play well and be competitive in the Prem? We'd have different expectations in the Prem to what counts as playing well, we'd enjoy a victory over ManUtd, Chelsea or ManCity 100x more than we would one against the top teams in the Championship. We'd enjoy a well earned draw with Liverpool 100x more than you would a well earned draw with QPR.

See I wouldn't, not that much more. And certainly not to make up for having a season like Blackpool's, which is much more likely than being competitive IMO.
 
An attitude of we don't really care about getting in the top division, and hence play against some of the best players in the country and possibly in the world, also to play in some of the best stadia in the country, would have severe repercussions throughout the football club.

We certainly wouldn't attract players like Heskey, Yakubu et all. We certainly wouldn't have got Sven in as manager.
We'd end up like Scunny, grateful for a season or two in the championship.

Then you'll be asking, do we really want to get promoted to the championship, and we'll end up like Rochdale, grateful for a season in league 1.
Then you'll be asking, do we really want to get promoted to league 1, and we'll end up like Accrington Stanley.

And as they say on the milk advert, Accrington who are they, except it'll be Leicester City, who are they.

So to answer your questions, yes we do!
 
Why do we play in a League structure? We play in a League structure to aspire to play in a higher division and dread playing a lower division. Ask Stevenage, Peterborough and Swansea fans. Do you want to be a big fish in a small pond or a small fish in a big pond?

I feel that every one should aspire to be the best they can and in the football world in the UK that means playing in the PL. Ask Rangers or Celtic if they would swap positions with us and would we with them?

City have been a yo-yo club ever since I started supporting them so I embrace the good times, Bloomfield and O'Neill (and to some extent even dear old Mickeh) and sit with clenched teeth through the bad times. :icon_bigg
 
I'm with Beights on this one. The Championship is much more open, and that's what makes it more interesting. The most we would look for in the Premiership is avoiding relegation.
 
All good arguments, I guess my main point is, is it worth it as fans. I know if my season ticket went up 40% I wouldn't be able to afford it, so the overall effect on me as a fan would be negative.
 
I'm with Beights on this one. The Championship is much more open, and that's what makes it more interesting. The most we would look for in the Premiership is avoiding relegation.

Quite but a bigger achievement than making the top two or the play offs in the fizzy. :icon_wink
 
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Does he really need to give a reason as to why he thinks not wanting to see Leicester become more successful in the league and pit themselves against better opposition is silly?
 
Also, you say you don't want to go up because the Championship is more competitive, but how does that matter if you don't want to see us win auto promotion or the play-offs? Do you just want us to dick around mid-table endlessly (i.e. do nothing exciting) because it means we won't go up to a less competitive league where you think we will also do nothing exciting?

What's the point of supporting a football team if you don't want to see them do well?
 
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Also, you say you don't want to go up because the Championship is more competitive, but how does that matter if you don't want to see us win auto promotion or the play-offs? Do you just want us to dick around mid-table endlessly (i.e. do nothing exciting) because it means we won't go up to a less competitive league where you think we will also do nothing exciting?

What's the point of supporting a football team if you don't want to see them do well?

So you would be happy for us to get promoted if it meant you couldn't see them play again? We'd be competing at the top level, but you wouldn't be able to see them, at least nowhere near as much as now? You'd be happy with that situation?
 
Couple of points i'd pick is that I doubt sky would be messing with our fixtures that much especially in comparison to Man U

Also the Spanish League is definitely not the best league in europe. It has the two best teams in Europe no doubt, but the quality of the other sides in that division is pretty poor.
 
So you would be happy for us to get promoted if it meant you couldn't see them play again? We'd be competing at the top level, but you wouldn't be able to see them, at least nowhere near as much as now? You'd be happy with that situation?

Where has this come from? I didn't say anything about the financial side, I was responding to you talking about the competitive side of it.
 
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Couple of points i'd pick is that I doubt sky would be messing with our fixtures that much especially in comparison to Man U

Also the Spanish League is definitely not the best league in europe. It has the two best teams in Europe no doubt, but the quality of the other sides in that division is pretty poor.

I disagree.
 
And of course we want to be in the premier league. heres a few reasons in no particular order


1) a highlights show where we get shown for more than 50 seconds
2) away trips to the best grounds in the country
3) the chance to see some of the best players in the world
4) The club would be less likely to suffer financial meltdown if in the premier league
5) we'd be able to attract a better quality of player
6) May have more chance of hanging on to any academy players who make the grade (not likely though!)
7) Peter Beagrie would never commentate on us again
8) better profile for the city
9) more chance of winning some silverware
10) only chance we will ever have of seeing european football again (ambitious i know, but its not going to happen if your outside the PL)
 
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