Do we want Premier League football as fans?

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The real reason why we need promotion is ...money.

While we are in the Championship we will lose money. Evenually the owners will get fed up with losing their money and the situation will deteriorate.

Even a short term stay in the Premier League is financially beneficial.
 
You clearly haven't seen Almeria!

I saw Barca tear them apart earlier this season!

Don't think the Spanish league downwards is any worse than the English league, difficult to compare obviously as the English teams don't seem to take the Europa League seriously for some reason (personally I'd love to see us go for it if we were ever in there, would be far better than ever winning the FA Cup for me).
 
Point 1. Expense. The QPR example is an extreme and so is the price rise. The 70% is not a pattern followed by a number of a Premiership clubs, rises yes but no more rises than what's occured at the likes of Accrington or Oxford. A lot of the prices are comparable to our own season tickets a division below. It's expensive however no doubt.

Point 2. Ambition. There's a little button in my brain which says I want to be the best at everything I do. There's also a little button which says I follow Leicester because they give me a sense of belonging and pride because it's my birthplace. I probably value the pride just above the ambition. It's still ranked high.

Point 3. Enjoyment as a fan. My most enjoyable moment this season watching us play was at the Walkers when facing Manchester City. There was no massive gap, it was high tempo and hugely enjoyable. The replay was similar if the class more apparent but I found both occasions highly enjoyable. Now in recent years Burnley have beat Manchester United, Hull seen off Arsenal, Wolves beat three of the big boys and Blackpool pushed a couple of sides to absolute thrillers.

Relegated teams haven't been like Derby for a couple of seasons now. I'd have probably enjoyed Wolves or Blackpool's season this year....the opportunity for a few days to wind up every Man United and Chelsea fan in sight most enjoyable. You use Wigan away on a wet Tuesday as example...well we've already Portsmouth on a Friday night this year and there's will be other examples in this year's fixture list. City fans will remember us more grinding out a win against a big boy more than a 5-0 pasting of Doncaster. I can say now if we played a top side and they beat us by three goals with pure brilliance, I find that more appeasing than Crystal Palace coming down here for a draw with ten men behind the ball.

Point 4. Awaydays. A massive part of a football season for a lot of folk who post on these forums. Days where you can have a laugh regardless of result. If we look at next season's line-up, we'd have 5 visits to London, 5 in Manchester or around Manchester, 2 in Liverpool, 3 in Brum or around Brum, 2 North East including Newcastle. Probably leaving Norwich and Stoke as dead undesireable. All these days would either be ideal for a good day out or a lot more easy to get whether driving or by train. All in all, more enjoyable for fans.

And the people who can't afford it away? Well, they can watch us on Saturday night on two channels as highlights (one broadcaster you can select extended highlights)...failing that it's a Sunday afternoon or admittely, a shitty Monday night (though we've had one of those this season). We are already doing as Murdoch commands playing on a Friday night and a Monday night this season plus a daft kick-off time on a Saturday afternoon. If anything the Premiership does mean the end of so many Tuesday fixtures...I'd say more Sundays are a better option than a Tuesday.
 
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Fans don't support a team for financial purposes, otherwise we'd all be supporting Non league teams. Although many of us don't like forking out masses amounts of cash I think we all realise that if you are playing in what is touted as the best division in Europe (and yes I disagree with you that La Liga is better than the Premier League for various reasons) you expect and accept a price rise for admission as long as it's justified. If a club rises the prices significantly above other teams in the division and have neither the facilities, players or final standing to justify it that is when fans will quite rightly feel aggrieved.

The La Liga argument you raise is pretty narrow minded. Yes Barcelona are by far and away the best team in Europe and Real Madrid are arguably also up there. But two teams a league does not make. The fact that the points totals in the Premier League are lower is because our league is so much more competitive and has a far more level playing field where teams can and do beat each other on a more regular basis. The fact that our teams have had significant standings in the Champions League in the last decade goes a long way to disprove your theory. Even Spurs in their debut season managed to get to the Quarter Finals. All English teams generally get to the Quarter Final stage and we usually have at least two teams contesting the semi finals. This season was an exception but Arsenal went out to the eventual winners and Chelsea went out to the other Finalist Man Utd, whilst Spurs went far beyond anyone's pre season expectations. Barcelona and Real Madrid are head and shoulders above the rest of the competition in La Liga which is shown by their far superior points totals to 3rd placed Valencia who finished 21 points behind Real. La Liga draws a more accurate comparison with the Scottish Premier League. Two teams are currently romping it and the attendance figures aren't anything to shout about either. Only four teams can boast average attendances above 40,000 a game and only 6 can pull in more than 30,00 a week. Blackpool had the lowest attendance figures in the Premier League but are on a par with Levante who finished in 17th in their attendance tables.
 
If the best league in the world is about how competitive and how much a level playing field it is, then the Bundeliga is far, far better than the Premier League and it gets bigger attendances too.

A FWIW, the Premier League really isn't more of a level playing field than La Liga at all. Chelsea and ManUtd have been little different to Real Madrid and Barca over the past 6 years or so and you'll also find there is more movement within La Liga from season to season than there is in the PL.
 
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No brainer. Plus we'd be one of the underdogs in the Premier League which as far as I'm concerned makes every win all the sweeter.
 
If the best league in the world is about how competitive and how much a level playing field it is, then the Bundeliga is far, far better than the Premier League and it gets bigger attendances too.

A FWIW, the Premier League really isn't more of a level playing field than La Liga at all. Chelsea and ManUtd have been little different to Real Madrid and Barca over the past 6 years or so and you'll also find there is more movement within La Liga from season to season than there is in the PL.

Bundesliga is a close second to the premier league. It lacks the dominance in the Champions League to beat it just yet. Schalke were a surprise semi finalist this season and were shown wanting. You may point to Spurs against Real and yes they were justifiably beaten but they're cause was not helped by Crouch getting himself sent off. The Bundesliga also has a significant lack of the top players from outside of Germany when compared with the Premier League. Is good for the German national squad but the Premier League has better players even if it hampers our World Cup ambitions.
 
The Bundesliga also has a significant lack of the top players from outside of Germany when compared with the Premier League. Is good for the German national squad but the Premier League has better players even if it hampers our World Cup ambitions.

What does a player's nationality have to do with anything?
 
Bundesliga is a close second to the premier league. It lacks the dominance in the Champions League to beat it just yet. Schalke were a surprise semi finalist this season and were shown wanting. You may point to Spurs against Real and yes they were justifiably beaten but they're cause was not helped by Crouch getting himself sent off. The Bundesliga also has a significant lack of the top players from outside of Germany when compared with the Premier League. Is good for the German national squad but the Premier League has better players even if it hampers our World Cup ambitions.


Premier league dominance of the CL is overstated- Only Liverpool have beaten foreign opposition in the final in the last ten years, otherwise they've all lost.
 
If the best league in the world is about how competitive and how much a level playing field it is, then the Bundeliga is far, far better than the Premier League and it gets bigger attendances too.

A FWIW, the Premier League really isn't more of a level playing field than La Liga at all. Chelsea and ManUtd have been little different to Real Madrid and Barca over the past 6 years or so and you'll also find there is more movement within La Liga from season to season than there is in the PL.

To be the best league in the world you need it all, competitiveness, attendance, quality and exportability. Whilst the Premier League has been dominated by 3 Teams since it came into existence. Next season there will be 5 realistic title contenders. Manchester Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal. Tottenham don't currently have enough quality and their chances will rest on how much they spend in the summer. Liverpool finished the season on title contender form and have a gem in Suarrez whilst having also pledged to spend big in the summer. I believe they'll be serious contenders next season and are my tip to win it and if it's not them I think it could be Man City. I think Man Utd will struggle to retain their crown.
 
Premier league dominance of the CL is overstated- Only Liverpool have beaten foreign opposition in the final in the last ten years, otherwise they've all lost.

Just because Manchester Utd have beaten Chelsea in the final does not make their win any less worthy. The fact that England had two finalists is a statement of Premier League dominance in itself.

I think Barcelona will dominate the Champions League for some time, but I think English teams will still be strongly represented in the latter stages for the forseeable future.
 
Anyone who thinks Arsenal or Liverpool are any more serious title contenders than Valencia are next season is kidding themselves. No way are either team genuine title contenders and Spurs certainly aren't. I'd happily stick everything I own on none of those 3 winning the title.

Besides, as you say yourself, the table is about all 20 teams, not the top 3 or 4. Teams outside the top 3 or 4 generally are a lot closer together in La Liga and more competitive than in the Prem. 13 of the 17 Premier League teams this season finished within 2 places of where they did last season compared to La Liga's 8 out of 17 for example.
 
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To answer the original question, yes I do want us to be in the Prem.

Couldn't give a **** where the league is in quality in comparison to the Spanish, German, Bosnian, Welsh or any other league as it's of no importance really.
 
see guys, we can have a good argument/discussion! On a personal level the pride of being there would, at the minute, be tempered by the fact that I wouldn't be able to afford a season ticket and the already miserable soda around me would have a field day with losing a large portion of the games. I'm still not sold and I'm pleased some people haven't just stuck with a 'duh' response.
 
Just because Manchester Utd have beaten Chelsea in the final does not make their win any less worthy. The fact that England had two finalists is a statement of Premier League dominance in itself.

I think Barcelona will dominate the Champions League for some time, but I think English teams will still be strongly represented in the latter stages for the forseeable future.


When did I say it was less worthy? The fact is in the last ten years, Man United have lost twice to foreign opposition, Liverpool once and Arsenal once. An all English final in one year doesn't equate to English dominance at all.

Last ten years there has been 4 Spanish wins by two teams, 3 Italian wins by two teams 2 english wins by 2 teams, and 1 Portugese winner. I appreciate our teams have done well in recent years in terms of getting to the latter stages, but I would personally judge dominance on final winners, in which case we have come third.
 
Anyone who thinks Arsenal or Liverpool are any more serious title contenders than Valencia are next season is kidding themselves. No way are either team genuine title contenders and Spurs certainly aren't. I'd happily stick everything I own on none of those 3 winning the title.

Besides, as you say yourself, the table is about all 20 teams, not the top 3 or 4. Teams outside the top 3 or 4 generally are a lot closer together in La Liga and more competitive than in the Prem. 13 of the 17 Premier League teams this season finished within 2 places of where they did last season compared to La Liga's 8 out of 17 for example.

How have you worked that out? Valencia finished 21 points adrift. Liverpool in 5th were only 22 adrift and as I said they are looking to make significant investments in the playing squad over the summer. Arsenal need to spend money I agree to be 'genuine' title contenders but they are still closer than Valencia are. I was referring to Spurs in terms of top 4, I personally thing they'll finish 6th next season at best.
 
When did I say it was less worthy?.

You insinuated it when you said that Liverpool were the only English team to beat foreign opposition in a final in the past 10 years. There's different ways of reading stats. the fact that English teams have been the most represented in the final 4 for the past several years shows that the quality of English football in general is higher than on the continent.
 
You insinuated it when you said that Liverpool were the only English team to beat foreign opposition in a final in the past 10 years. There's different ways of reading stats. the fact that English teams have been the most represented in the final 4 for the past several years shows that the quality of English football in general is higher than on the continent.
So your way of interpreting stats is right, but mine is wrong? bit hypocritical
 
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