Dublin & De Vries: Was this a positive Move

[highland fox]

Why so sure that he wants Leveins job?

Just putting 2 and 2 together and if CL is sacked he will be the only one we can afford.

 

[Durham Fox]

Can't answer that SF but if we are seen to sack a Manager just over a year into his contract after he as reduced the wage bill,introduced a Youth Set Up that beforehand was non existent,reduced the age of the Squad and introduced younger players,overhauled the Squad,been handed very little in transfer funds,...then we are hardly going to be looked upon as an attractive proposition are we?

This notion always interests me. The real younger prospects we currently see playing in the first team and the reserves were all here long before Levein

 

[SilverFox]

Neither will we in league 1, in fact even less so. This is a results business, and many would argue that over a year to show signs of improvement is not unreasonable. Yet we are in a worse position now than last year.

 

[highland fox]

This notion always interests me. The real younger prospects we currently see playing in the first team and the reserves were all here long before Levein

But they were never going to play in the first team before CL came.Besides there aren't enough of them,a Club like us should be reliant upon a good Youth Set Up,bringing players through etc.Before Cl arrived hoe many players did MA,Taylor,Bassett bring through the ranks ?

 

[highland fox]

Yet we are in a worse position now than last year.

No offence SF but I think that is Bollox.

 

[Durham Fox]

But they were never going to play in the first team before CL came.Besides there aren't enough of them,a Club like us should be reliant upon a good Youth Set Up,bringing players through etc.Before Cl arrived hoe many players did MA,Taylor,Bassett bring through the ranks ?

Again though, who was ready before CL arrived? Maybe Stearman, yet he still isn't a first choice now.

Love him or hate him, Heath was brought through by MA.

 

[highland fox]

Again though, who was ready before CL arrived ?

Exactly,nobody because nobody they had was good enough.The scouting system seemed awful.We have Stearman,Weso,Sheehan who are considered good enough for the first team now.There should be more than that now coming through.Lets face it the ones who were taken on with these players aren't going to be good enough.

 

[SilverFox]

No offence SF but I think that is Bollox.

None taken mate:icon_lol:

I can see that you would argue the standard of player has improved, and I would for the most part agree. However, the cold fact persists (if this is your line of argument), that if we have better players now, why do we not yet have better performances, and why is our league position worse?

Buying players is only part of a managers job, he must also take some responsibility for the way they perform on the field of play...which you must agree has not done us justice.

 

[highland fox]

None taken mate:icon_lol:

I can see that you would argue the standard of player has improved, and I would for the most part agree. However, the cold fact persists (if this is your line of argument), that if we have better players now, why do we not yet have better performances, and why is our league position worse?

Buying players is only part of a managers job, he must also take some responsibility for the way they perform on the field of play...which you must agree has not done us justice.

I'm not saying he is the greatest Manager but he is still learning.However...we do have better players,finding a system to suit those players is proving difficult and we desperately need a Goalscorer.As a Club we are in better shape than we were a year ago and I honestly believe we are improving,you don't and thats fair enough

 

[SilverFox]

I'm not saying he is the greatest Manager but he is still learning.However...we do have better players,finding a system to suit those players is proving difficult and we desperately need a Goalscorer.As a Club we are in better shape than we were a year ago and I honestly believe we are improving,you don't and thats fair enough

I do think that we are improving, at least in terms of players. The problem in my opinion is the manager who doesn't know what to do with those players. He must also have noted that we had trouble scoring goals so he waited for the best part of a year while the problem persisted, then spent 300k on a player who had scored 1 professional goal prior to joining, and another for 700k who was formerly an attacking midfielder and who he never plays.

A little worrying, you must admit. The problem was obvious, and before it is suggested that there are no strikers, Leeds did not have a problem accumulating their collection of centre forwards and they finished one place above us (i think, it could have been two). Equally their finances are little better than ours.

 

[bocadillo]

Make no mistake the man who wants the job desperately is Dion Dublin.I have no doubt he will be the replacement if Levein goes.

And that will be the biggest disaster that could happen. Absolutely no experience at any level. Frank McLintock all over again!!

I just can't imagine why he gets the hero-worship that he does. He has done nothing to deserve it!!

 

[SilverFox]

And that will be the biggest disaster that could happen. Absolutely no experience at any level. Frank McLintock all over again!!

I just can't imagine why he gets the hero-worship that he does. He has done nothing to deserve it!!

To be fair he has been the best centre half at the club for the past season and a half.

 

[bocadillo]

To be fair he has been the best centre half at the club for the past season and a half.

Frank McLintock was a decent centre-half. What has that got to do with him being any good as a manager?

 

[SilverFox]

Frank McLintock was a decent centre-half. What has that got to do with him being any good as a manager?

I wasn't talking about whether he would be a good manager, you just intimated that he hasn't contributed anything...I was just trying to make a point that he has.

Chill yer beans:icon_lol:

 

[bocadillo]

I wasn't talking about whether he would be a good manager, you just intimated that he hasn't contributed anything...I was just trying to make a point that he has.

Chill yer beans:icon_lol:

Yup. OK. I take your point - although I would still tend to argue whether he has been as good as some people think he has.

Personally I think he is a wily old fox - quite self-seeking - I find it difficult to trust him.

 

[highland fox]

Yup. OK. I take your point - although I would still tend to argue whether he has been as good as some people think he has.

Personally I think he is a wily old fox - quite self-seeking - I find it difficult to trust him.

Totally agree Boc,IMO he is here for one thing... Leveins job.If he wasn't a 'Leicester lad' people would be slagging him something awful.

 

[Bilborough Fox]

Must have come to notice how much the defence has improved since Dion been moved out. We are playing higher up the field and not getting caught out for pace down the centre thus not conceeding so many goals. Good proffesional but where can you play as first choice. People seem to adore him for his reputation rather than what he's doing on the pitch. I think the fans still remember him scoring the goal against Charlton last year as he hasn't got many more since.

 

[Bilborough Fox]

Don't know about him being a Manager though, he learnt his football initially under the long ball system, played a bit part at manure. At Cov had his best spell due to the pace of Huckerby and although fairy successful at Vile he was in and out of the side to protect his legs. Did he learn enough, I don't know. I can only remember one manager praising him, that was Fergie but it wasn't about his football but his display in between his legs. Might may a good coach, but really not sure about manager.

 

[Naughty Fox]

No thanks, look who Dublin played under. Fergie yes, but a large proportion of his time there was spent recovering from a broken leg, so did'nt really get alot of time to see how Fergie did it. Then you have Strachen, Gregory, Taylor and O'Leary......

Nuff Said.

 

[Real Sharapova]

Leeds did not have a problem accumulating their collection of centre forwards and they finished one place above us (i think, it could have been two). Equally their finances are little better than ours.

Erm, am I missing something here? I thought Leeds had a grey haired old cnut bankrolling them now