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Melton Fox said:
You find it offensive because they mixed up two black people. I am guessing you would have found it funny if they mixed up 2 white guys. Lets say Danny Mils and Lee Carsley, both similair in appearance

Do you not consider that to be mildly pretentious and patronising towards black people?
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Possibly, but then again, I can't ask one at the moment. Anyway, lets have a go at the Scots.
 
alex said:
I mean, I hate lazy journalism and this is another case of it. Through this link we don't see a picture of Momo Sylla, but of Elvis Hammond, you know, the other black player we have..... Poor effort.

http://www.teamtalk.com/teamtalk/News/Story_Page/0,7760,1796_1010163,00.html
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See the contents of the feedback form I filled in earlier this morning:

Never mind what is going on at the Walkers - I am writing to ask what is going on at the Sporting Life and TeamTalk in particular. Look at http://www.teamtalk.com/teamtalk/News/Story_Page/0,7760,1796_1010163,00.html The story is about Momo Sylla. The picture is of Elvis Hammond.

Whooops!!! Do they all look the same to you?
 
Melton Fox said:
No, because it is a common fact that the head and facial features of a white person vary greater to those than that of a black person.

Thats not racist, thats biological and medical fact.
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It's bollocks!!

And to use that bollocks to suggest that people might be unable to distinguish between Momo and Elvis is even greater bollocks!!
 
bocadillo said:
It's bollocks!!

And to use that bollocks to suggest that people might be unable to distinguish between Momo and Elvis is even greater bollocks!!
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Come on Boc, I merely said in my original post that it is not wise to brand somebody racist because they made a mistake. We all make them, it is human nature. It has been said in this thread that commentators make the mistake all the time.

As for your other comment. The facial and "hair" features of white people do vary greater than those of black. The word bollocks when used to dispell somebody's fact doesn't quite cut it.

I am offended that you feel you can enter into a debate with me and dismiss my point as bollocks without even attempting to let me know why you feel this.

Try something a little more constructive to fuel your debate and I may pay a little more attention
 
bluddy hell, the guy put the wrong picture in. maybe the journalist had only seen the players once or twice, in which case he wouldn't have a clue who was who.
 
Melton Fox said:
Come on Boc, I merely said in my original post that it is not wise to brand somebody racist because they made a mistake. We all make them, it is human nature. It has been said in this thread that commentators make the mistake all the time.

As for your other comment. The facial and "hair" features of white people do vary greater than those of black. The word bollocks when used to dispell somebody's fact doesn't quite cut it.

I am offended that you feel you can enter into a debate with me and dismiss my point as bollocks without even attempting to let me know why you feel this.

Try something a little more constructive to fuel your debate and I may pay a little more attention
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Melton

You were the first person to use the word 'racist' in this thread. The only allegation that had been made before then was one of "lazy journalism" - nobody had branded anybody racist.

You went on to make a spurious statement that seemed to suggest that it is a fact that it is more difficult to tell black people one from the other - at the time using the word 'racist' for the second time. My saying that this was bollocks is nothing more than a rather strong method of pointing out the nonsense of what you were saying - I am sure that you understood that.

The fact that I am answering the longest contribution to this thread suggests to me that you are already paying attention.
 
a) Both of the frst two posts had accusations of racism undertones, I am sure you picked up on that. If you didn't, then I admire your innocence and naivity.

b) I never once said that I find it more difficult to tell black people apart, i was responding to the following posts where the posters went on to accuse the journalist of only mistaking the players because they were black, and that they wouldn't have made the same mistake if they were white. I then explained why I thought it may be easier for the journalist to make this mistake for a black person than a white person.


c) I am comfortable with my attitude towards the colour of other peoples skin, and their cultural background. I feel at ease to use the word racism without the need to use innuendo's, double entendre's etc. The word black was used in the first post to post an obvious slur on the journalists race views. That is what prompted me to believe the first poster was accusing the journo of racism. The second post was an innuendo with the relevant smileys also accusing the journo of racism

I may have used the word racism first, but only because that was what was being accused.

Please point out where I am talking nonsense and this can all be put to bed
 
Nathan said:
bluddy hell, the guy put the wrong picture in. maybe the journalist had only seen the players once or twice, in which case he wouldn't have a clue who was who.
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Oh, and that's ok? Put yourself in either Momo or Elvis' position please, let alone a black fan?
 
alex said:
Oh, and that's ok? Put yourself in either Momo or Elvis' position please, let alone a black fan?
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Middle class white people deeming things offensive on black people's behalf when no one has actually complained or said it was offensive.

I'm sure most people regardless of race would just see it as a simple mistake. has anyone who is supposed to be offended actually confirmed their anger and disappointment?

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Melton Fox said:
a) Both of the frst two posts had accusations of racism undertones, I am sure you picked up on that. If you didn't, then I admire your innocence and naivity.

b) I never once said that I find it more difficult to tell black people apart, i was responding to the following posts where the posters went on to accuse the journalist of only mistaking the players because they were black, and that they wouldn't have made the same mistake if they were white. I then explained why I thought it may be easier for the journalist to make this mistake for a black person than a white person.


c) I am comfortable with my attitude towards the colour of other peoples skin, and their cultural background. I feel at ease to use the word racism without the need to use innuendo's, double entendre's etc. The word black was used in the first post to post an obvious slur on the journalists race views. That is what prompted me to believe the first poster was accusing the journo of racism. The second post was an innuendo with the relevant smileys also accusing the journo of racism

I may have used the word racism first, but only because that was what was being accused.

Please point out where I am talking nonsense and this can all be put to bed
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The first post contained the specific allegation of "lazy journalism" To detect a racist undertone therein needs IMHO a good dose of hyper-sensitivity. The second post seemed to me to be designed with irony in mind.

It is true that you didn't say that you find it more difficult to tell black people apart - and I have no reason to believe that this is not the case. You did however introduce the nonsense/bollocks/call it what you will that suggested that it is a fact that black people are more difficult to tell apart. Yes, there is a great many things about white people which will help you distinguish them one from the other - but perhaps you have also noticed that there are also quite a few differences between Kisnorbo and Sylla.

You can put it to bad as soon as you like.
 
Dunc said:
Middle class white people deeming things offensive on black people's behalf when no one has actually complained or said it was offensive.

I'm sure most people regardless of race would just see it as a simple mistake.

:102: :102: :102:
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bocadillo said:
You can put it to bad as soon as you like.
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It's gone to bed. If you can't understand what I saw in the first 2 posts, there is no point continuing
 
Dunc said:
Middle class white people deeming things offensive on black people's behalf when no one has actually complained or said it was offensive.

I'm sure most people regardless of race would just see it as a simple mistake. has anyone who is supposed to be offended actually confirmed their anger and disappointment?

:102: :102: :102:
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Perhaps a good point, perhaps you're making a white middle-class classic excuse. Perhaps the fact this isn't complained about is more out of tiredness than offence. You can argue this is patronizing, my point is more that it's laziness like this which can breed resentment without anyone really knowing too much about it, exceot for those concerned.
 
Nathan said:
THIS THREAD HAS BEEN BLOWN WAY
OUT OF PROPORTION!!!!!


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The point of a forum is debate. If you feel it has become out of proportion then leave the debate.
 
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