In Holloway's Defense.....

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Melton Fox said:
Spot on, Brown Nose.

And that supports my theory that a Manager should manage from his office, and not be on the training ground as "one of the lads". When a professional footballer is called before his Manager, he should be shitting himself.

Other than matchdays, I see no reason why the Manager should be involved with the players on a daily basis, that should be the job of his 100% trusted coaches.

The coaches should be reporting back to him on a daily basis as to whom is doing what etc etc.

Ollie has tried to be one of the lads from the outset, not their Manager. You can't be both.
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Don't all managers get involved in training? :102:
 
Willlow said:
Don't all managers get involved in training? :102:
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I'd like a Manager to be involved as in "setting the training", but not actually doing it. But yes, the modern Management style isn't my preferred style.

I doubt the worlds top Managers want the players to use their "nick names" and be "best buddies" with their staff members.

For me it all boils down to one simple thing; A good Manager is a boss who should be respected and feared, not drinking buddies.
 
I think I read that MON didn't get involved in training,he may have stood and watched but I think he lft it to Robertson and Walford to actually 'take training'
 
"Holloway will be remembered as a totally committed manager who balanced the books, but could not deliver the ultimate goal."
 
'Big' IMO comes down to expectations.

If you forget all of the sh*t of our current plight for a minute 99% of us think, as a club, we should be at the top end of the table getting promotion and I know that other clubs fans are surprised that we are down at the bottom. F*rest and Leeds have been mentioned in the 'big' arguement and rightly so, because the delight of other fans seeing them go down, as it is not expected, just the same as Man City a few seasons ago. The reaction of other clubs like Scunny and Colchester have not caused a ripple, as to be fair with the resources they have it was probably expected.

Now putting hand on heart do you think Holloway could get a team promoted out of this division? IMO, no, but when MM got him in I hoped he was the one to steady the ship and stop the rot of the last 4 years. How wrong I have been and can not wait for the day he is shown the door, as it is clear to see he is out of his depth and a rabbit in headlight with all of the expectations of the chairman and fans in bringing success.

One last point from BN's post, although I agree with what you said, surely it is down to the manager to see what is going on and drop the trouble makers and play the players that actually want to play for him, even if they are deemed inferior. We have seen what a bunch of individual, so called, talented players can do. I wonder what a bunch of average motivated ones would do?
 
Melton Fox said:
A good Manager is a boss who should be respected and feared, not drinking buddies.
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Are you applying that to Management in general or just football management?

The day I 'fear' my boss is the day I no longer care about doing my best for him. The day after is the day I quit.
 
spionfox said:
Are you applying that to Management in general or just football management?

The day I 'fear' my boss is the day I no longer care about doing my best for him. The day after is the day I quit.
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a respectful "fear", is healthy. I'm sure you realise that I don't actually mean you should be scared of him.
 
spionfox said:
Are you applying that to Management in general or just football management?

The day I 'fear' my boss is the day I no longer care about doing my best for him. The day after is the day I quit.
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Not to answer for Melts, but IMO in general, to get the best out of anyone you need to know their strengths and weaknesses and what makes them tick. Some people you need to treat as a friend to get respect, when others will see that as a weakness and walk all over you.
 
Naughty Fox said:
Not to answer for Melts, but IMO in general, to get the best out of anyone you need to know their strengths and weaknesses and what makes them tick. Some people you need to treat as a friend to get respect, when others will see that as a weakness and walk all over you.
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Very true.
 
Naughty Fox said:
Not to answer for Melts, but IMO in general, to get the best out of anyone you need to know their strengths and weaknesses and what makes them tick. Some people you need to treat as a friend to get respect, when others will see that as a weakness and walk all over you.
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And you speak very well on my behalf, I thank you.
 
Managers need to be feared? Absolute nonsense.

Respect is not linked to fear in any form. It's an archaic, and patriarchal, concept that you only see in shite companies and on The Apprentice.

People bandying around inferences that he does not carry respect and that he has "lost the changing room" are talking out of their collective arses - without any supporting evidence. Moreover, I suspect, the majority of them don't get to watch matches that often.

But hey - don't let that stand in the way of lobbing away money by sacking another manager so we can replace him with someone the same or worse.
 
Willlow said:
If that is the case were we also too big for Martin O'Neil, Micky Adams, Rob Kelly, Craig Levein and Martin Allen all who had less experience then Ian Holloway?

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Some people can step up to the plate; others can't. You've mentioned such a varied bunch above that it's difficult to generalise about them. But in any case we are discussing the present situation rather than the past.

It's true that I find Holloway irritating but this shouldn't be some unjustifiable hate campaign. He's just not been able to turn things round. In fact things have gone from bad to worse. It's my opinion that he isn't up to running Leicester City and he should go - you are entitled to your opinion and we shall have to see what happens after Sunday.
 
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Disco Bob said:
Managers need to be feared? Absolute nonsense.

Respect is not linked to fear in any form. It's an archaic, and patriarchal, concept that you only see in shite companies and on The Apprentice.

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Not sure about that.

First, I think it's not entirely valid to compare company management with managing a football team. Different very successful football managers have had different styles. But people like Ferguson, Clough, Revie, even Busby, Wallace - have/ had ruthlessness and to some extent the ability to create fear as management tools.

You are absolutely right that we don't know whether Holloway has 'lost the dressing room' or not. But we do know that he goes out of his way to project a quirky, somewhat nonsensical image..and I would think that this facet makes it difficult for him to command that much respect amongst the playing staff.
 
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