Next Gen Consoles - Xbox 720 & PS4

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Durham Fox said:
I think pricing makes sense but yes there needs to be a degree of assumption made there. As for being online, yes thats an assumption but is anyone really going to buy latest generation consoles and tech who doesn't have broadband?
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My dad buys quite a few latest gen games and has broadband but his Xbox is nowhere near an Ethernet port. As he doesn't play online he has no reason to get it wireless.
 
Durham Fox said:
I think pricing makes sense but yes there needs to be a degree of assumption made there. As for being online, yes thats an assumption but is anyone really going to buy latest generation consoles and tech who doesn't have broadband?
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There might be some, but they're probably in a very small minority. It does indicate an assumption that everyone will be on Xbox Live though (simply not true), and doesn't account for unreliable broadband connections.
 
Durham Fox said:
I agree with pretty much every word of it.
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Same here pretty much. I wasn't amazed by what they were planning initially but it was certainly going to be interesting to see how it played out.

Sharing games with 10 friends seemed a great idea and also not having to have the disc in the tray to play. Also, if it did turn out to be like Steam is on PC then it would have been a very interesting battle between 2 different concepts.

Bit disappointed tbh as I would have waited a year or so before making my decision, if any, and waited to see how things play out whereas now it is just going to be same as now.
 
I've heard that they're going to rename this as the Xbox 180
 
Blue Maniac said:
There might be some, but they're probably in a very small minority. It does indicate an assumption that everyone will be on Xbox Live though (simply not true), and doesn't account for unreliable broadband connections.
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There was no indication from MS that I'm aware of that you had to be a gold Xbox Live subscriber to use the DRM features.
 
M17TT C said:
Sharing games with 10 friends seemed a great idea
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As opposed to sharing them with as many as you like?
M17TT C said:
and also not having to have the disc in the tray to play.
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I have no idea why this is a big deal.
Durham Fox said:
There was no indication from MS that I'm aware of that you had to be a gold Xbox Live subscriber to use the DRM features.
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Wasn't there to be a requirement that installed games had to be tied to an Xbox Live account?
 
Blue Maniac said:
As opposed to sharing them with as many as you like?

I have no idea why this is a big deal.
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You could share them as in you could play any game that any of your 10 'family' members has on their game list. The original owner could always play and one other person at one time.

You cant currently play a game you have and also lend it to a friend at the same time and with the originally proposed system, it would have been possible to play any game without by any at all and just play the games your friends have bought.

I never said the disc in tray was a big deal but it would have had a couple of advantages. not having to chop and change disc ever after installing would mean used products would likely to be as new and would mean there would need to be very little difference between new and used pricing. Also the noise factor of not having a disc spinning would have been a nice benefit and the lazy factor of being able to sit on my arse all the time when I want to play a computer game.
 
MS were trying to go down the same route as PC gaming did some years ago now via the Steam client. You wont hear many PC gamers complaining about the Steam concept. Its made buying games easier and considerably cheaper. The fact they were allowing sharing and potentially trading made it an even better proposition than Steam which is already an excellent service.
 
Durham Fox said:
MS were trying to go down the same route as PC gaming did some years ago now via the Steam client. You wont hear many PC gamers complaining about the Steam concept. Its made buying games easier and considerably cheaper. The fact they were allowing sharing and potentially trading made it an even better proposition than Steam which is already an excellent service.
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I use Steam. It's got its good points.
 
Blue Maniac said:
That's such a non-issue, I'd never even considered an alternative situation.
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But it would be a huge advantage due to the reasoning which you chose not to include in your quote. Just having one other person on your family list could mean you could go twos or halves on every game if you are a hardcore gamer or for casuals like myself, you could get away with buying nothing and still get to play any game that someone on the family list would have had.

DRM sounded terrible to begin with but its not so bad once you look into it instead of jumping on the ms are bastards and Sony are the corporation of the people bandwagon.
 
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M17TT C said:
But it would be a huge advantage due to the reasoning which you chose not to include in your quote. Just having one other person on your family list could mean you could go twos or halves on every game if you are a hardcore gamer or for casuals like myself, you could get away with buying nothing and still get to play any game that someone on the family list would have had.

DRM sounded terrible to begin with but its not so bad once you look into it instead of jumping on the ms are bastards and Sony are the corporation of the people bandwagon.
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To answer your above reasoning: When has the noise of the disc whizzing around ever been a problem? Why would people pay near to the new price for a used disc? Is walking to your console to change games really an issue?
 
Well both major console manufacturers have produced a number of revisions of their current line up which have progressively got quieter so it would suggest I am not the only one who likes to use a console without having what sounds like a hovercraft running in the same room.

People would pay similar as there is no difference, you would effectively be buying a serial number and a disc so you can install the software so there would be no advantage to buying new.

Having to change discs is hardly a deal breaker but it would be a nice benefit. Do you still carry all your CDs around with you or do you think an mp3 player is easier? Times change and things get more convenient for us which is what technology is all about.
 
M17TT C said:
Having to change discs is hardly a deal breaker but it would be a nice benefit. Do you still carry all your CDs around with you or do you think an mp3 player is easier? Times change and things get more convenient for us which is what technology is all about.
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CDs? I'll have you know I wheel around a cart with a specially adapted battery-powered gramophone to play LPs on. Not very popular on the bus.
 
That's because you should be reading on the bus instead and not attempting to do anything else whatsoever as it requires too much concentration. :icon_wink
 
Blue Maniac said:
Not very popular on the bus.
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I thought that was because of your habit of thrusting a blue and white flag into the hands of the unwary and insisting on taking their photograph.
 
bocadillo said:
I thought that was because of your habit of thrusting a blue and white flag into the hands of the unwary and insisting on taking their photograph.
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I thought it was because he was sat next to Enderby Fox......
 
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