Open meeting points to be aired

[bocadillo]

Perhaps if stewards had training on how to diffuse situations rather than winding them up there wouldnt be such a problem ?

I am sure that you are right. But, at the risk of repeating myself, TD is "fully supportive of the stewards". So TD needs to be given examples of occasions when stewards have exacerbated the situation together with a suggestion that their calming of the situation would be a far more valuable pursuit.

To my mind we shouldn't try to defend the indefensible or the unlawful - and we all know times when fellow-supporters have gone over that line - but we do need to point out the times when people who have been singled out by stewards when they have little to offend anybody.

 

[webmaster]

Also we only need to charge £8/£1 for adult/child for a cup game to generate the same sell out gate receipts that Sunderland did against Arsenal with 48000 at £5/£1. Well done Sunderland.

It's not as easy as that, cup ticket prices have to be agreed by the away team too.
Leicester wanted to charge lower prices fro the Blackpool game, but Blackpool wanted normal league prices, so the football league had to set the prices for that match.

 

[Bobby Smith]

Why are people having so much trouble understanding what this meeting has been set up for? Why are people so intent on bringing up irrelevances?

I suggest that people read this. There is real concern about the way the stewards are operating. Tim Davies says that he is "fully supportive" of the actions of stewards; surely he wouldn't be if he really knew what is going on. This is the fans opportunity to discuss the problems with him and to suggest to him where the line should be drawn on 'tolerance-levels'.

It is not about smoking, music, ticket-prices and most of the other things that are being discussed here.

FFS get your minds organised!!

Forgive me if non of the above was directed at my post but ticket prices are relevant to the point I was making. It was about having different levels of tolerance in different areas of the ground according to who was sat there(the way things naturally developed at Filbo). For that to work ticket prices would have to be looked at.

 

[bocadillo]

Forgive me if non of the above was directed at my post but ticket prices are relevant to the point I was making. It was about having different levels of tolerance in different areas of the ground according to who was sat there(the way things naturally developed at Filbo). For that to work ticket prices would have to be looked at.

It was directed at all the irrelevances - which your point, as described here, clearly is not.

 

[1966]

This thread seems to come to the conclusion that the club and ALL stewards are completely wrong in everything they do on this matter.

Watching LCFC home and occasionally away over the last few years I have witnessed truly moronic displays from isolated individuals who portray themselves as fans and hitlerish attitudes from some stewards.

We need to approach meetings with the club, accepting failings on both sides from a small percentage of individuals on both sides, with the aim of making the stadium experience better for the vast majority of fans and stewards.

If certain individuals, from either side, step out of line then they should be ejected banned from the stadium or sacked from their duties as a steward.

 

[bocadillo]

This thread seems to come to the conclusion that the club and ALL stewards are completely wrong in everything they do on this matter.

I don't know how you come to that conclusion. Nobody has suggested that any more than they have suggested that all fans are perfectly well behaved.

It is a fact that some stewards are taking things too far. It is a fact that many people find many of our students to be unpleasant and surly. But that is not to say that all of the stewards are like this - but they will all tend to be tarred with the same brush and only a change in the way that the 'failing' stewards approach their role can alter this.

The club has recognised that the relationship between the stewards and the fans needs looking at. I think they are right and I am sure that the stewards will be asked to make some changes to their way of working. Whatever these changes are fans will still be expected to behave themselves.

Fans who have travelled to the games at Preston in the past two seasons will have noticed a change in their stewards this year. Last year things got out of hand - this year they didn't. Our fans were still as boisterous - but a different attitude from their stewards meant that the afternoon passed without incident and everybody remained safe. That hasn't just happened without some re-training of the stewards.

I hope that City have similar success in their quest to improve relationships at the Walkers.

 

[Joe_Fox]

It is a fact that some stewards are taking things too far. It is a fact that many people find many of our students to be unpleasant and surly.

Tax dodging scum.

 

[bocadillo]

It is a fact that many people find many of our students to be unpleasant and surly.

Fecking spill chucker!!

 

[Naughty Fox]

I don't know how you come to that conclusion. Nobody has suggested that any more than they have suggested that all fans are perfectly well behaved.

It is a fact that some stewards are taking things too far. It is a fact that many people find many of our students to be unpleasant and surly. But that is not to say that all of the stewards are like this - but they will all tend to be tarred with the same brush and only a change in the way that the 'failing' stewards approach their role can alter this.

The club has recognised that the relationship between the stewards and the fans needs looking at. I think they are right and I am sure that the stewards will be asked to make some changes to their way of working. Whatever these changes are fans will still be expected to behave themselves.

Fans who have travelled to the games at Preston in the past two seasons will have noticed a change in their stewards this year. Last year things got out of hand - this year they didn't. Our fans were still as boisterous - but a different attitude from their stewards meant that the afternoon passed without incident and everybody remained safe. That hasn't just happened without some re-training of the stewards.

I hope that City have similar success in their quest to improve relationships at the Walkers.

I think the word 'boisterous' sums it up. When are you being boisterous and when are you causing a problem. Most incidents in and around me in all the time of going to football have been dealt with between the fans, if somebody is constantly standing they get told to sit down. I am not sure but do stewards give out warnings? most of the time I have heard they have just waded in

 

[Cate Fox]

Unfortunately I have heard the same thing about the stewards wading in from various people I know who sit in L1.... no polite request of "would you please sit down"

 

[Yorkshire Vixen]

surely its got to be a two-way thing if the stewards are polite to the fans then vice versa

 

[Cate Fox]

with the majority of fans you would think so YV, but there is always that small minority who cant manage more than "ugg"....and that goes for the stewards too....

 

[Johnb_lcfc]

the Club need to stop ejecting people for minor offences that are rightly or wrongly a part of football such as standing or swearing etc. If the club want to improve the atmosphere as hundreds want to then the best way i can see is too swap the family stands and kop over for the start of the new season. There wont be trouble and the hardcore who are in L1 who are supposedly "trouble" will be mixed in with others and it will create a great atmosphere. also maybe a block for over 15s may be a suggeston/.


cheers Peter Jones if you ever read this you are a top man.

 

[bocadillo]

If the club want to improve the atmosphere as hundreds want to then the best way i can see is too swap the family stands and kop over for the start of the new season.

And what happens if the Kop want to stay where they are?

 

[Cate Fox]

to be honest Boc I would imagine that the majority of the kop would jump at the chance of being sat next to the away fans again.... that was when we had the best atmosphere, plus families are not at risk from the violent element of the away fans

 

[Foxes_Trust]

And what happens if the Kop want to stay where they are?

This was the clubs view when we suggested it back at the end of the season in 2003.

We continue to raise on an annual basis when a discussion takes place on crowd numbers & lack of atmosphere

 

[bocadillo]

to be honest Boc I would imagine that the majority of the kop would jump at the chance of being sat next to the away fans again.... that was when we had the best atmosphere, plus families are not at risk from the violent element of the away fans

In which games has there been any trouble between the away fans and the people (families) in the North Stand? I think the presence of like-minded people in L1 will always mean that the away fans focus will be in that direction.

And as for what the majority of people in the Kop think, most that I know are quite happy to be where they are, being able to watch the match without the distraction of two lots of fans winding each other up.

 

[Cate Fox]

I am not saying that there has been any trouble with the away fans/families, but there is always that possibility. Its just my opinion...

 

[Bobby Smith]

And as for what the majority of people in the Kop think, most that I know are quite happy to be where they are, being able to watch the match without the distraction of two lots of fans winding each other up.

Surely the reason the club were quick to name a stand in the Walkers 'The Kop' was because of tradition, that is where the atmosphere came from, the banter, on the rare occasion a touch of trouble, the humour, the passion, all of the things that are important to creating a bit of home advantage to a club of our size and means. If now more than 50% of that crowd is worried about being distracted from the game by some rival supporters then I give up.

Maybe Tony Blairs 4x4 driving, second house for a pension, cotton wool clad, speed trap state is now infecting the minds of innocent football fans.

 

[bocadillo]

Surely the reason the club were quick to name a stand in the Walkers 'The Kop' was because of tradition, that is where the atmosphere came from, the banter, on the rare occasion a touch of trouble, the humour, the passion, all of the things that are important to creating a bit of home advantage to a club of our size and means. If now more than 50% of that crowd is worried about being distracted from the game by some rival supporters then I give up.

Maybe Tony Blairs 4x4 driving, second house for a pension, cotton wool clad, speed trap state is now infecting the minds of innocent football fans.

Welcome to the 21st century. If the people in the Kop had wanted a "rare touch of trouble" and the kind of atmosphere that being next to the away fans brings, I am sure that they would have re-located to L1 by now - or to the block to the other side of the away fans that the Club took out of the family area last season.

I think there is a little danger that people are starting to think like The Foxes Trust - that they speak for all Leicester fans. I am sure that those on the Kop can speak for themselves - and if the state of the mind of the average football fan has changed in the last 20 years, then so be it. And possibly for the better too - weren't a lot of fans driven away from the game in the 1980s?

Sorry to hear that you're giving up, Bobby, but I do think that there are that many who simply prefer to watch the match.