peter taylor

[Dunc]

t*ylor signings:

Gary Rowett Birmingham £ 3000000 04-07-2000
Callum Davidson Blackburn £ 1750000 07-07-2000
Simon Royce Charlton Free 11-07-2000
Trevor Benjamin Cambridge £ 1500000 12-07-2000
Ade Akinbiyi Wolves £ 5000000 27-07-2000
Richard Cresswell Sheff Wed £ 750000 01-09-2000
Damien Delaney Cork City £ 50000 24-10-2000
Matt Jones Leeds £ 3000000 13-12-2000
Roberto Mancini Lazio Free 18-01-2001
Dean Sturridge Derby £ 350000 19-01-2001
Kevin Ellison Altrincham £ 50000 06-02-2001
Junior Lewis Gillingham £ 150000 15-03-2001
Lee Marshall Norwich £ 650000 21-03-2001
Ashly Lyth Scarborough £ 100000 29-03-2001
Dennis Wise Chelsea £ 1600000 25-06-2001
Ian Walker Tottenham £ 2500000 09-07-2001
James Scowcroft Ipswich £ 3000000


Over £20 million to turn a top half team into a bottom 3 team.

The ones in bold are the ones that in my opinion at least justified being bought, if not for the money they were on, or the fee that was paid.

Thats 5 players bought that at least performed in part for our club. The rest were either not up to scratch or in certain cases some of the worst signings any club has ever made (Mr. D. Wise).

 

[Polar Bear]

Mancini justified it for that wonderful 2nd half showing at Everton. His all-too-brief presence was the single best thing PT did here... and that was down to his mate Sven.

Delaney briefly looked like he'd be class too. And Royce did nothing wrong in the games he played. I'm sure they were all on bobbins money mind.

The real calamity was the second close season. If you appoint a manager you then back him - at the time of his appointment I don't recall masses of City fans being up in arms - so the initial lot of spending was inevitable. But after 2000-01 the board were squarely at fault for not closing the chequebook and telling the manager - "You got this lot, now manage them, cos we're budgeting for possible relegation."

This relates to my general belief that managers expect and are given too much power. The continental system whereby coaches hand over a 'wishlist' and the board get what's affordable from the list (and PAY what's affordable!)seems better, though I know many continental clubs are badly run too. It should be the board's job to turn round to the manager and say, as an example "We are not giving a slowing 32-year old centre back £40K a week for four years."

 

[Fox Fan]

Mancini justified it for that wonderful 2nd half showing at Everton. His all-too-brief presence was the single best thing PT did here... and that was down to his mate Sven.

Delaney briefly looked like he'd be class too. And Royce did nothing wrong in the games he played. I'm sure they were all on bobbins money mind.

The real calamity was the second close season. If you appoint a manager you then back him - at the time of his appointment I don't recall masses of City fans being up in arms - so the initial lot of spending was inevitable. But after 2000-01 the board were squarely at fault for not closing the chequebook and telling the manager - "You got this lot, now manage them, cos we're budgeting for possible relegation."

This relates to my general belief that managers expect and are given too much power. The continental system whereby coaches hand over a 'wishlist' and the board get what's affordable from the list (and PAY what's affordable!)seems better, though I know many continental clubs are badly run too. It should be the board's job to turn round to the manager and say, as an example "We are not giving a slowing 32-year old centre back £40K a week for four years."

What? He never looked any good, old slow off the pace, unable to read the game, poor in possession, had about 3 shots in 5 games. Not Good at all IMO!

 

[leicester_til_i_die]

t*ylor signings:

Gary Rowett Birmingham £ 3000000 04-07-2000
Callum Davidson Blackburn £ 1750000 07-07-2000
Simon Royce Charlton Free 11-07-2000
Trevor Benjamin Cambridge £ 1500000 12-07-2000
Ade Akinbiyi Wolves £ 5000000 27-07-2000
Richard Cresswell Sheff Wed £ 750000 01-09-2000
Damien Delaney Cork City £ 50000 24-10-2000
Matt Jones Leeds £ 3000000 13-12-2000
Roberto Mancini Lazio Free 18-01-2001
Dean Sturridge Derby £ 350000 19-01-2001
Kevin Ellison Altrincham £ 50000 06-02-2001
Junior Lewis Gillingham £ 150000 15-03-2001
Lee Marshall Norwich £ 650000 21-03-2001
Ashly Lyth Scarborough £ 100000 29-03-2001
Dennis Wise Chelsea £ 1600000 25-06-2001
Ian Walker Tottenham £ 2500000 09-07-2001


Over £20 million to turn a top half team into a bottom 3 team.

out of that i would still welcome back a few -
A fit Gary Rowett, Callum Davidson, Ian Walker, Simon Royce, possiblly Dean Sturridge (did alright - scored)

 

[Real Sharapova]

And Cresswell - he was never given a chance by T*ylor. Makes me laugh - you buy a player, barely play him, sell him on for nuppence, and lo! He is a good player. Nice work PT

 

[Brauny Blue]

And Cresswell - he was never given a chance by T*ylor. Makes me laugh - you buy a player, barely play him, sell him on for nuppence, and lo! He is a good player. Nice work PT

IMO Cresswell was on a o.k player for this league. But after the MON years he was not in the same class as Heskey, Collymore, Cottee.

 

[jb5000]

Gary Rowett Birmingham £ 3000000 04-07-2000
Callum Davidson Blackburn £ 1750000 07-07-2000
Simon Royce Charlton Free 11-07-2000
Trevor Benjamin Cambridge £ 1500000 12-07-2000
Ade Akinbiyi Wolves £ 5000000 27-07-2000
Richard Cresswell Sheff Wed £ 750000 01-09-2000
Damien Delaney Cork City £ 50000 24-10-2000
Matt Jones Leeds £ 3000000 13-12-2000
Roberto Mancini Lazio Free 18-01-2001
Dean Sturridge Derby £ 350000 19-01-2001
Kevin Ellison Altrincham £ 50000 06-02-2001
Junior Lewis Gillingham £ 150000 15-03-2001
Lee Marshall Norwich £ 650000 21-03-2001
Ashly Lyth Scarborough £ 100000 29-03-2001
Dennis Wise Chelsea £ 1600000 25-06-2001
Ian Walker Tottenham £ 2500000 09-07-2001

I've highlighted the ones I think were either good purchases, or at least good value in that we sold them for enough of the original money back. I think anyone of those would now be welcome in our squad. The wages the others were paid, and the raises given to O'Neil's team to get them to stay were what broke us though.

People forget that Taylor is a good coach, let's not forget that he improved the players in O'Neil's squad and got us to the top of the table. The poor finish to the first season was caused by horrendous injuris (Wycombe kicked the shit out of us in the cup), relegation in the second was because we couldn't replace the likes of Neil Lennon, off to Celtic, and Gerry Taggart, who had knee-knack all season, and the couldn't be arsed attitude of certain older players (I'm thinking of Robbie Savage particularly, which was sad considering what a hard worker he was in the past.)

Yes, Taylor isn't a good traditional manager, he does not cut it in the transfer market, but I'm sure that with a good director of football buying the players for him to coach we'd still be in the Premiership.

Whatever, though, my whole point is we should move on from Peter Taylor, it's been three and a half years since he went, and going on about him still acheives nothing.

Incidently, who are Kevin Ellison and Ashly Lyth? Never heard of them.

 

[Polar Bear]

"What? He never looked any good, old slow off the pace, unable to read the game, poor in possession, had about 3 shots in 5 games. Not Good at all IMO!
"

You can't have gone to that Everton game. Mancini was left on the bench, we were 2-0 down at halftime, hopeless, passionless. Second half he ran the show, we got one goal back and should have equalized (can't remember who missed it) - it's referred to in Fossils too.

I admit he was generally slow but he was making his Prem debut at 36-odd... we'll just have to disagree about his reading of the game and passing! If we'd had him for longer he could have ended up making a significant contribution IMHO.

 

[Polar Bear]

"People forget that Taylor is a good coach, let's not forget that he improved the players in O'Neil's squad "

A highly debatable assertion. Compare Stefan Oakes under MON and Taylor. Name anyone who improved - the only one I can think of is (weirdly) Impey.

 

[fosseboy83]

agree with you bear, his reading of the game made up for his lack of pace, genius..great footballer wished we'd of had him for the whole season

 

[jb5000]

"People forget that Taylor is a good coach, let's not forget that he improved the players in O'Neil's squad "

A highly debatable assertion. Compare Stefan Oakes under MON and Taylor. Name anyone who improved - the only one I can think of is (weirdly) Impey.

Impey was a lot better, Savage and Izzet also spring to mind, our play was generally craftier and more attractive, let's face it the results of the first two-thirds of that season don't lie, we rocked.

As for Stefan Oakes, where is he now? He's been through a does of lower league clubs now and no where has he shined, sure he can take a good free kick, but apart from that I never really though much of him.

 

[webmaster]

our play was generally craftier and more attractive, let's face it the results of the first two-thirds of that season don't lie, we rocked.

I don't think we played attractive football. Our results, particularly at the start of the season, were based on our defensive record and the brilliant form of Tim Flowers. We had some pretty dour matches on the way to the top of the league. In those first 8 matches we only scored 7 goals, but we conceded just 2.

 

[Hazzman]

As for Stefan Oakes, where is he now? He's been through a does of lower league clubs now and no where has he shined, sure he can take a good free kick, but apart from that I never really though much of him.

He went Notts County last season, appeared as a bit of a star for them because his passing is a lot more better than anyone else in the league. Now at Wycombe, one of the pace setters of the league.

 

[Hazzman]

Incidently, who are Kevin Ellison and Ashly Lyth? Never heard of them.

Kevin Ellison was a striker we picked up from Altrincham, out of his depth and level. After the Wycombe game, we played Man United our squad was depleeted and Ellison came on as a sub, lost. Now plays for Hull.

Ashley Lyth, young left-back, never made his debut, regular in the reserves, he went back to Scarborough and played in their recent FA Cup against Chelsea.

I thought Mancini brought a touch of class we lacked, just a little glance or anything. Remember Akinbiyi was the other option.

 

[webmaster]

Kevin Ellison was a striker

Ashley Lyth, young left-back

Ellison was a winger, and Lyth a right back.

 

[DesertFox]

Ellison was a winger, and Lyth a right back.

Ashley Lyth was brought to City as a left back, wasn't he? Ellison right winger

 

[Hazzman]

Ellison was a winger, and Lyth a right back.

Ellison played as a striker in his only City appearance at ManUre and as played at Hull and Chester in that position.

Correct me if Lyth is a right back, he didnt play a single game for CLub at senior level.

 

[Motown Fox]

Lyth could play right or left back and I think it showed that on Championship manager game.
Ellison I think could play either a wingers role or up front. he scored as a sub recently for Hull.

 

[webmaster]

Just because Ellison has occasionally played as a striker doesn't mean he is one, his main position s a left winger, and has been at every club he's played for. He's also played as a wing back.

Lyth is a right back, but like most players he's played in other positions when necessary.

 

[Hazzman]

Just because Ellison has occasionally played as a striker doesn't mean he is one, his main position s a left winger, and has been at every club he's played for. He's also played as a wing back.

Lyth is a right back, but like most players he's played in other positions when necessary.

You read off Soccerbase, you probably right. The bottom line is he was way out of his depth and Taylor gave him his debut at OLD TRAFFORD!!