Thanks Milan

[foxin_oz]

That hardly means it's a nailed on cert, does it ?

I'm assuming this is a response to the 1966 comment above. It's okay, Homey, I won't get cross. :icon_wink

 

[1966]

And do you seriously think that our way out if this hideopus mess is dependant upon the likes of Wesolowski, Stearman, Porter, Sheehan, Mattock and Odhiambo

Because I think that there lies complete and utter disaster

I may be completely wrong but it seems to me that over the last few seasons the majority of teams (of a similar level to us) who you would call successful, have done so by building over a number of seasons on home grown talent.

If we are to replicate this then our young talent, supported by 3/4 really astute signings, will be the key to our future.

Wether they are up to this only time will tell, but I for one believe they are our best hope.

 

[foxin_oz]

I may be completely wrong but it seems to me that over the last few seasons the majority of teams (of a similar level to us) who you would call successful, have done so by building over a number of seasons on home grown talent.

If we are to replicate this then our young talent, supported by 3/4 really astute signings, will be the key to our future.

Wether they are up to this only time will tell, but I for one believe they are our best hope.

Players like Beswick, Chambers, King, Sappleton, McKay and Kee look promising. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

[Dunc]

And do you seriously think that our way out if this hideopus mess is dependant upon the likes of Wesolowski, Stearman, Porter, Sheehan, Mattock and Odhiambo

Because I think that there lies complete and utter disaster

I was thinking more of Wesolowski, Chambers, King, Sheehan, Mattock, Magunda, Kee, McKay, Stearman along with Fulop, Fryatt, Hume, Clemence, Kisnorbo, McCauley etc and high quality signings in Jan & summer 08.

The best of those kids will be good enough at this level, they need some better players around them, hopefully come January, IH & MM can bring in some quality to lift the squad and pick up results to make it easier to bring through the quality youngsters we've got.

As a team this lot were good enough to win the Academy leagues last year and that includes the likes of Arsenal who play their academy team in the carling Cup.

The big difference is that those players are arsenal are brought into a successful set up, used to winning and surrounded by high quality players and with a stable set up with a clearly defined style and tactics.

If IH can build a squad of 20-24 players using the youngsters selectively rather than pitching them into a relegation battle with half the crowd baying for blood, then there's no reason why a high number of them can't make it at this level.

 

[chesterfield fo]

I'd just like to take a moment to thank Milan Mandaric for making leicester City a complete laughing stock.

I remember being at the Walkers when it was made official that Mandaric had taken over and the whole stadium (bar away fans) were cheering his name. Little did most of you suspect we would be in the complete shit that we are now ?

How many managers have we been through since ? I accept that mistakes can be made, but how many is he going to make before he looks at himself ? He did it at Portsmouth, where he ran out the best manager he has ever had, employed a couple of jokers and then went back to his original and best choice.

He gave MA2 a major gee up, telling us what a great manager he will turn out to be, gave him millions to spend and promptly sacked him 4 or 5 games in. Excellent Milan.

Then he gets Megson in, a man who many didn't want here from day one. tells us that Megson is the man to sort us out but forgets to actually get him to sign a contract. Excellent Milan.

He should have walked over broken glass to get Neil Warnock in, but oh no, instead of getting in a proven manager who was out of work he goes to Plymouth and gets a manager who has done what exactly ?

Mandaric may have millions of pounds but he has shown without doubt he is inept at choosing a manager. He is however champion at making this football club look like a complete joke.

 

[1966]

Players like Beswick, Chambers, King, Sappleton, McKay and Kee look promising. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

I think many, me included, are always a little sceptical about our young "talent", because over the last decade or more we have not exactly covered ourselves in glory when it comes to developing lots of good young players.

This current crop however do seem to have more potential than our previous youngsters and I am hopefull that they will prove to be good players.

 

[foxin_oz]

I think many, me included, are always a little sceptical about our young "talent", because over the last decade or more we have not exactly covered ourselves in glory when it comes to developing lots of good young players.

This current crop however do seem to have more potential than our previous youngsters and I am hopefull that they will prove to be good players.

They seem to be getting the right results on the pitch too, always an encouraging sign. :icon_wink

 

[homer]

I think many, me included, are always a little sceptical about our young "talent", because over the last decade or more we have not exactly covered ourselves in glory when it comes to developing lots of good young players.

This current crop however do seem to have more potential than our previous youngsters and I am hopefull that they will prove to be good players.

Not being funny, but for how many years have we been trotting out this utter nonsense ??

Steven (?) Dawson, Tommy Wright, Tomi Petrescu, Chris O'Gravy, Levi Porter etc. etc

All hailed as being the next big thing - going to build our team around the new crop of youngsters. They're the best bunch of kids we have seen for years. They're going to be good enough at this level etc. etc.

And here we are back again saying precisely the same tosh

 

[foxin_oz]

Not being funny, but for how many years have we been trotting out this utter nonsense ??

Steven (?) Dawson, Tommy Wright, Tomi Petrescu, Chris O'Gravy, Levi Porter etc. etc

All hailed as being the next big thing - going to build our team around the new crop of youngsters. They're the best bunch of kids we have seen for years. They're going to be good enough at this level etc. etc.

And here we are back again saying precisely the same tosh

Is it just me or do these chips smell like urine? :icon_bigg

 

[homer]

They seem to be getting the right results on the pitch too, always an encouraging sign. :icon_wink

The glorious result against Forest reserves was achieved by the likes of O'Neill, Garner, Cobb, Sappleton, McKay and Chambers

Aye - they're going to get us out of this for sure........

 

[Dunc]

Not being funny, but for how many years have we been trotting out this utter nonsense ??

Steven (?) Dawson, Tommy Wright, Tomi Petrescu, Chris O'Gravy, Levi Porter etc. etc

All hailed as being the next big thing - going to build our team around the new crop of youngsters. They're the best bunch of kids we have seen for years. They're going to be good enough at this level etc. etc.

And here we are back again saying precisely the same tosh

I don't think they won anything and some of those were of completely different academy teams.

Also, to clarify, I never said any of those players/teams would be worth building a team around.

I'm also not saying that what I've said is likely to work, but its got more chance than MM buying in another load of crap.

Like I say IH has said he won't bring in anyone who will stop these players development so as cynical (or as wise) as you are, it appears that the next 12 months is likely to be developing what we've got with the addition of 2-4 quality players in Jan, not an influx of 6-8.

 

[foxin_oz]

The glorious result against Forest reserves was achieved by the likes of O'Neill, Garner, Cobb, Sappleton, McKay and Chambers

Aye - they're going to get us out of this for sure........

Well, I did say encouraging, not miraculous. I think we have cause for optimism with our young talent coming through, I know we need a few decent players to come into the squad come January, but at least there's some hope with the youngsters. I really don't know whether to think of you as a pessimist or a realist right now Homer. :icon_conf

 

[1966]

Not being funny, but for how many years have we been trotting out this utter nonsense ??

Steven (?) Dawson, Tommy Wright, Tomi Petrescu, Chris O'Gravy, Levi Porter etc. etc

All hailed as being the next big thing - going to build our team around the new crop of youngsters. They're the best bunch of kids we have seen for years. They're going to be good enough at this level etc. etc.

And here we are back again saying precisely the same tosh

As I said earlier I am as sceptical as most, but I think the difference with this crop is that they are competing with and beating some of the best academies in the country, which we have never done before.

 

[Melton Fox]

I agree with Dunc again to a certain extent.

Our players are not as bad as they are playing. I blame them for their lack of ambition and desire to better themselves and lack of work ethic, I blame various managers for just saying they are crap and asking to get them replaced instead of actually studying the players, working with them and improving them. I also blame the club for making these players totally disillusioned with Leicester City and not providing them with the passion they aren't able to generate for themselves.

Yes, they should be self motivated, but we've all had bad bosses that we haven't wanted to work for and bosses that never tell us off so we know we can get with anything we want to.

We have about 15 players that are consistently underperforming week in week out. Get these players motivated enough, and they can compete with Premier League sides, we have seen the evidence, all of us!!!

It's all too easy for bad workmen to keep blaming their tools. Learn how to use your tools properly and there may be a drastic improvement in your work.

 

[Naughty Fox]

I agree with Dunc again to a certain extent.

Our players are not as bad as they are playing. I blame them for their lack of ambition and desire to better themselves and lack of work ethic, I blame various managers for just saying they are crap and asking to get them replaced instead of actually studying the players, working with them and improving them. I also blame the club for making these players totally disillusioned with Leicester City and not providing them with the passion they aren't able to generate for themselves.

Yes, they should be self motivated, but we've all had bad bosses that we haven't wanted to work for and bosses that never tell us off so we know we can get with anything we want to.

We have about 15 players that are consistently underperforming week in week out. Get these players motivated enough, and they can compete with Premier League sides, we have seen the evidence, all of us!!!

It's all too easy for bad workmen to keep blaming their tools. Learn how to use your tools properly and there may be a drastic improvement in your work.

You taken a feckin happy pill today or something :icon_wink

 

[Hammond Organ]

I agree with Dunc again to a certain extent.

Our players are not as bad as they are playing. I blame them for their lack of ambition and desire to better themselves and lack of work ethic, I blame various managers for just saying they are crap and asking to get them replaced instead of actually studying the players, working with them and improving them. I also blame the club for making these players totally disillusioned with Leicester City and not providing them with the passion they aren't able to generate for themselves.

Yes, they should be self motivated, but we've all had bad bosses that we haven't wanted to work for and bosses that never tell us off so we know we can get with anything we want to.

We have about 15 players that are consistently underperforming week in week out. Get these players motivated enough, and they can compete with Premier League sides, we have seen the evidence, all of us!!!

It's all too easy for bad workmen to keep blaming their tools. Learn how to use your tools properly and there may be a drastic improvement in your work.

Nail. Head. Hit.

 

[Matt_B]

I'm not convinced it was Allens fault. The evidence such as it is is ambiguous. It could equally be that MA2 was standing up to MM and refusing to be told who to buy and who to pick. There seemed to be a buzz and excitment around when MA2 was in charge and he seemed at least to be going in the right direction. The JFH debacle was the case in point. Clearly MM wanted to buy him and MA2 didn't think he'd fit in with his plans. Whose right?
It's like your mum picking your girlfriends for you and who'd want that!!

Megson had the reputation of a bore and that's why he wasn't a popular choice. Ollie has a much more fiesty reputation but so far he hasn't delivered. I hope that he can prove himself in the January transfers and get rid of the dross that MM bought in (allegedly)

I thought that as well, but I don't see why he would give in on 14 other players and only really stick his boots in on this one player? But this is likely to descend into another "Why was MA2 sacked" argument and I really don't need that!

 

[consty]

Criticising MM is not fair at this stage. He has put an enormous amount of time and effort into this club and ultimately money - the debts are up - but the buck stops with him to settle those debts eventually. I think it is seriously unwise to criticise someone who is prepared to bankroll the club and who stands between between us and real prospects of administration again.

He has made mistakes but he has also been unlucky. Martin Allen seemed like a bold and brave choice. MA's record certainly seemed to indicate that he could well be a winner - it was bad luck that behind the scenes, and due to details we will never know, he was impossible to work with. I did not like the choice of Megson, but again it was bad luck that the man departed.

The fact of the matter is that despite all the bad purchases and whoever was responsible for them, MM will have learned lessons and having got his fingers burned with the players signed in 2007 will know better for 2008. At least he gives us a transfer and wages budget well in excess of what we would have had without him - which gives options and opportunities to turn it around (provided it is done by a good manager). Money counts. West Ham undoubtedly bought their way out of relegation last season from the premiership with the players they had signed. In January IH and MM have the opportunity to buy our way out of relegation from the CC. Make no mistake - the club is certainly heading for relegation without their intervention in the transfer market in terms of bringing good players in and shipping out the bad and demotivated ones. Put in these terms it is self-evident that for a good while longer, MM deserves our patience and support. Yes the team are terrible and playing terribly - but don't turn your fire on the one man who would be instrumental in turning it around by appointing the right manager and is the one man who is able to give the manager the resources and support to enable him to turn it around.

 

[1966]

The fact of the matter is that despite all the bad purchases and whoever was responsible for them, MM will have learned lessons and having got his fingers burned with the players signed in 2007 will know better for 2008.

I thought one of MM's great advantages when he took over was his knowledge of the game, which he would use to quickly make us competitive, avoiding the need to learn from mistakes.

 

[The Old Fox]

Damning Milan seems a particularly pointless and unfair action.
The truth is, that we don't know why Allen left - inspite of MANY "helpful" threads upon the subject! Megson, whilst not everybody's cup of tea (certainly not mine), looked like he would have moved us up the table - albeit not in a very entertaining manner. His departure was caused by his greed and could not be blamed upon Milan.
Ollie, as the third new manager of the season was always going to struggle to get the team to pull together: they have been asked to follow one plan after another. If he really can clear a few out and bring in two or three good signings, we will be unrecognisable and all the whingers will be claiming that they always knew that good old Milan and IH would sort things out.