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give_us_a_wave said:
Absolutely not. That's what they SAY they want. The truth is very different. I've always thought of you as a smart guy so this has surprised me.
Spend a little time lurking on the Mail Online comments section or the GB News social media channels or even Reform UK's own boards. If you can stomach it. I did all of those for a good long while until I was sussed out by the admins (& until I deleted my X account last month)

What they actually want is many faceted. A few choice examples:

1) A move away from a taxation funded NHS towards an American style insurance model. They take great care to stress that it wouldn't FULLY move that way. Just enough to relieve the strain. In practice of course what that means is " I earn a good whack so I'd be able to afford it. **** everyone who can't " A nice little two tier NHS, with them in the top tier.
Of course they also want to stop immigration so the NHS would then have a staff crisis, so even more of a two tier divide (with them again at the top)

2) They don't like taxes. & at the same time decry the fact that infrastructure is falling apart. Schizophrenic politics 101.
Solution? Immigrants again. Get rid of them all & everyone else would have great well paying jobs, so we wouldn't need as much taxation because people could afford private services & we can cut public ones. Everyone who uses them is a scrounger after all (conveniently ignoring the fact that the vast majority of immigrants work in low paid jobs)
Politics as seen through the eyes of a 10 year old.

3) It's not just illegal immigration. It's all of it. Turn the UK into a white boy paradise. In their fevered minds, this will absolutely eliminate crime, increase a national sense of identity & (wait for it) Make Britain Great Again.

Some quotes that have stuck with me:

" I don't get the Ukraine thing. Let Putin get on with it. If your army is shit why is that our problem? Tough luck mate. Anyway aren't they all Nazis in Ukraine? Why are we sticking up for them. Plus a lot of them are gypos aren't they? I read that somewhere. So well, you know WTF "

" I'm sorry but even if you were born here & so were your parents I still don't think that makes you English. It takes more than that. I know that's not supposed to be said but I think a lot of people are waking up now "

" They actually make me feel physically sick. They don't belong here at all. England used to be lovely when I was a girl. It's horrible now it's full of these people. They do almost all the crime & also just scrounge benefits & take all the jobs " (I love that last part. Make up your mind me duck)

There are many, many more.

Reform UK everybody. The NF in a Barbour jacket.

Nigel himself was intimately connected to the far right all the way back to his schooldays at Dulwich College. First time I ever saw his name was on a list acquired from a regional office of the NF. He would have been at uni at that time. Long before he was a public figure.

The list was part of an operation the NF was considering at the time to place supporters inside the Conservative party at local level & within the YC on uni campuses. They had to be people who supported the policies of the Front but had never officially been members as that would be too easy to trace.
The Tories of course have never had a problem with allowing extremists to be members, as long as they absolutely promised that they had reformed & were no longer naughty boys & girls. But a former card carrying NF member would likely have been a step too far.

The operation was swiftly abandoned though. For one thing the NF was losing sway at that time & the BNP were taking over as the fascists of choice for the so inclined.
The other factor was summed up as " Well, Maggie is actually doing a lot of the stuff we wanted anyway. Lets hang back for a bit & see how it goes "

Farage is a racist, a bigot & an opportunist con artist & so are the majority of his admirers. I've met enough of them to be certain of that.
Reform UK is the last bastion of Little England delusion.

They'd have you on a boat soon as look at you.
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Chances are he'll be the next PM.
 
TommyK said:
Chances are he'll be the next PM.
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More chance of it a few months back than now but the Tories have decided on their course since then & went with not openly admitting they were ****ed & needed outside help.
The rest is up to that dull **** Starmer. Do something remotely radical & interesting for the first time in his mediocre existence or risk the notoriously short memoried public putting the gangster cabal back in.

You can't go sane & sensible, make things a tiny little bit better over the next 5 years & expect that to be enough. The Yanks just found that out & put themselves back in the ****ing circus for the forseeable.

Unlikely I'd say. None of our weak as piss politicians have the guts neccessary or are all pocketed by vested interests. Mostly both.
 
Yup, foreseeably ****ed, club and country. Unlike myself, I'd settle for a foreseeable ****.

drift... what a world we're living in just now. Trump's invading Greenland. Musk is enjoying his newfound wankfest platform (I naively hope he'll get bored and move on) whilst both Badenoch and Jenrick seem to want to bathe in Musk's jism, hoping it'll make them look good. I thought there was some good tele was but this beats it. Tbh, I try not to pay attention. I am NP's ostrich.
 
Jeez that exploded a bit!

It wasn't about being soft or anything, i just think joking about killing players is a bit childish and comes across as being unable to construct a coherent discussion, just like thick as shit Trump/Farage voters.

It's the sort of shit I'd expect on Twitter or FT.
 
M17TT C said:
Jeez that exploded a bit!

It wasn't about being soft or anything, i just think joking about killing players is a bit childish and comes across as being unable to construct a coherent discussion, just like thick as shit Trump/Farage voters.

It's the sort of shit I'd expect on Twitter or FT.
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Be ironic if someone took issue with you expressing an opinion about the populist right with a little rant about protecting freedom of speech…
 
Feidlimid said:
Yup, foreseeably ****ed, club and country. Unlike myself, I'd settle for a foreseeable ****.

drift... what a world we're living in just now. Trump's invading Greenland. Musk is enjoying his newfound wankfest platform (I naively hope he'll get bored and move on) whilst both Badenoch and Jenrick seem to want to bathe in Musk's jism, hoping it'll make them look good. I thought there was some good tele was but this beats it. Tbh, I try not to pay attention. I am NP's ostrich.
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We are utterly cooked.
 
All for free speech, of any kind. Offensive, ignorant, populist or otherwise. Known quantity then. You know what you're dealing with. Attempts to shut it down (and I get the desire to) is akin to putting your fingers in your ears and going la-la-la-la-la (enough las there la?)

And on a more serious note, people spouting shit are doing it for a reason. There can be underlying legit concerns; people get angry and throw the toys out over something. Say stupid shit, point at the wrong things. Trying to shut it down doesn't answer it, enflames it even.

Sorry. What thread are we in again?
 
give_us_a_wave said:
Absolutely not. That's what they SAY they want. The truth is very different. I've always thought of you as a smart guy so this has surprised me.
Spend a little time lurking on the Mail Online comments section or the GB News social media channels or even Reform UK's own boards. If you can stomach it. I did all of those for a good long while until I was sussed out by the admins (& until I deleted my X account last month)

What they actually want is many faceted. A few choice examples:

1) A move away from a taxation funded NHS towards an American style insurance model. They take great care to stress that it wouldn't FULLY move that way. Just enough to relieve the strain. In practice of course what that means is " I earn a good whack so I'd be able to afford it. **** everyone who can't " A nice little two tier NHS, with them in the top tier.
Of course they also want to stop immigration so the NHS would then have a staff crisis, so even more of a two tier divide (with them again at the top)

2) They don't like taxes. & at the same time decry the fact that infrastructure is falling apart. Schizophrenic politics 101.
Solution? Immigrants again. Get rid of them all & everyone else would have great well paying jobs, so we wouldn't need as much taxation because people could afford private services & we can cut public ones. Everyone who uses them is a scrounger after all (conveniently ignoring the fact that the vast majority of immigrants work in low paid jobs)
Politics as seen through the eyes of a 10 year old.

3) It's not just illegal immigration. It's all of it. Turn the UK into a white boy paradise. In their fevered minds, this will absolutely eliminate crime, increase a national sense of identity & (wait for it) Make Britain Great Again.

Some quotes that have stuck with me:

" I don't get the Ukraine thing. Let Putin get on with it. If your army is shit why is that our problem? Tough luck mate. Anyway aren't they all Nazis in Ukraine? Why are we sticking up for them. Plus a lot of them are gypos aren't they? I read that somewhere. So well, you know WTF "

" I'm sorry but even if you were born here & so were your parents I still don't think that makes you English. It takes more than that. I know that's not supposed to be said but I think a lot of people are waking up now "

" They actually make me feel physically sick. They don't belong here at all. England used to be lovely when I was a girl. It's horrible now it's full of these people. They do almost all the crime & also just scrounge benefits & take all the jobs " (I love that last part. Make up your mind me duck)

There are many, many more.

Reform UK everybody. The NF in a Barbour jacket.

Nigel himself was intimately connected to the far right all the way back to his schooldays at Dulwich College. First time I ever saw his name was on a list acquired from a regional office of the NF. He would have been at uni at that time. Long before he was a public figure.

The list was part of an operation the NF was considering at the time to place supporters inside the Conservative party at local level & within the YC on uni campuses. They had to be people who supported the policies of the Front but had never officially been members as that would be too easy to trace.
The Tories of course have never had a problem with allowing extremists to be members, as long as they absolutely promised that they had reformed & were no longer naughty boys & girls. But a former card carrying NF member would likely have been a step too far.

The operation was swiftly abandoned though. For one thing the NF was losing sway at that time & the BNP were taking over as the fascists of choice for the so inclined.
The other factor was summed up as " Well, Maggie is actually doing a lot of the stuff we wanted anyway. Lets hang back for a bit & see how it goes "

Farage is a racist, a bigot & an opportunist con artist & so are the majority of his admirers. I've met enough of them to be certain of that.
Reform UK is the last bastion of Little England delusion.

They'd have you on a boat soon as look at you.
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Couldn't find any transfer rumours in here, my head was hurting by the end, I think we're signing someone called Farrage that currently plays for the BNP or possibly WBA
 
OzzieFox said:
FFS we haven't not even got an incoming, hysterically annoying and totally unfounded rumour yet. Nice to know we were prepared for this crucial window. Which is starting to look more like some Dickensian cake shop window, where starving urchins can stare at the cakes inside before being shoo'd away.
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Do you know the Poulterer's in the next street but one, at the corner?" Top inquired.

"I should hope I did," replied the lad.

"An intelligent boy!" said Top. "A remarkable boy! Do you know whether they've sold the prize Turkey; not the little prize turkey, the big one?"

"What, Odsonne Édouard!" returned the boy.

"What a delightful boy!" said Top. "It's a pleasure to talk to him. Yes, my buck!"

"He’s there now," replied the boy.

"Is he?" said Too. "Go and buy him."

And that is a brief history of Top and how Rudkin came to be employed.
 
SilverFox said:
Do you know the Poulterer's in the next street but one, at the corner?" Top inquired.

"I should hope I did," replied the lad.

"An intelligent boy!" said Top. "A remarkable boy! Do you know whether they've sold the prize Turkey; not the little prize turkey, the big one?"

"What, Odsonne Édouard!" returned the boy.

"What a delightful boy!" said Top. "It's a pleasure to talk to him. Yes, my buck!"

"He’s there now," replied the boy.

"Is he?" said Too. "Go and buy him."

And that is a brief history of Top and how Rudkin came to be employed.
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No more! I don’t wish to see it. Show me no more.
 
give_us_a_wave said:
Absolutely not. That's what they SAY they want. The truth is very different. I've always thought of you as a smart guy so this has surprised me.
Spend a little time lurking on the Mail Online comments section or the GB News social media channels or even Reform UK's own boards. If you can stomach it. I did all of those for a good long while until I was sussed out by the admins (& until I deleted my X account last month)

What they actually want is many faceted. A few choice examples:

1) A move away from a taxation funded NHS towards an American style insurance model. They take great care to stress that it wouldn't FULLY move that way. Just enough to relieve the strain. In practice of course what that means is " I earn a good whack so I'd be able to afford it. **** everyone who can't " A nice little two tier NHS, with them in the top tier.
Of course they also want to stop immigration so the NHS would then have a staff crisis, so even more of a two tier divide (with them again at the top)

2) They don't like taxes. & at the same time decry the fact that infrastructure is falling apart. Schizophrenic politics 101.
Solution? Immigrants again. Get rid of them all & everyone else would have great well paying jobs, so we wouldn't need as much taxation because people could afford private services & we can cut public ones. Everyone who uses them is a scrounger after all (conveniently ignoring the fact that the vast majority of immigrants work in low paid jobs)
Politics as seen through the eyes of a 10 year old.

3) It's not just illegal immigration. It's all of it. Turn the UK into a white boy paradise. In their fevered minds, this will absolutely eliminate crime, increase a national sense of identity & (wait for it) Make Britain Great Again.

Some quotes that have stuck with me:

" I don't get the Ukraine thing. Let Putin get on with it. If your army is shit why is that our problem? Tough luck mate. Anyway aren't they all Nazis in Ukraine? Why are we sticking up for them. Plus a lot of them are gypos aren't they? I read that somewhere. So well, you know WTF "

" I'm sorry but even if you were born here & so were your parents I still don't think that makes you English. It takes more than that. I know that's not supposed to be said but I think a lot of people are waking up now "

" They actually make me feel physically sick. They don't belong here at all. England used to be lovely when I was a girl. It's horrible now it's full of these people. They do almost all the crime & also just scrounge benefits & take all the jobs " (I love that last part. Make up your mind me duck)

There are many, many more.

Reform UK everybody. The NF in a Barbour jacket.

Nigel himself was intimately connected to the far right all the way back to his schooldays at Dulwich College. First time I ever saw his name was on a list acquired from a regional office of the NF. He would have been at uni at that time. Long before he was a public figure.

The list was part of an operation the NF was considering at the time to place supporters inside the Conservative party at local level & within the YC on uni campuses. They had to be people who supported the policies of the Front but had never officially been members as that would be too easy to trace.
The Tories of course have never had a problem with allowing extremists to be members, as long as they absolutely promised that they had reformed & were no longer naughty boys & girls. But a former card carrying NF member would likely have been a step too far.

The operation was swiftly abandoned though. For one thing the NF was losing sway at that time & the BNP were taking over as the fascists of choice for the so inclined.
The other factor was summed up as " Well, Maggie is actually doing a lot of the stuff we wanted anyway. Lets hang back for a bit & see how it goes "

Farage is a racist, a bigot & an opportunist con artist & so are the majority of his admirers. I've met enough of them to be certain of that.
Reform UK is the last bastion of Little England delusion.

They'd have you on a boat soon as look at you.
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You have way too much time on your hands, my friend. I won’t focus my energy to respond to this properly, as it requires a proper wash down, and an intelligent counter-argument, but I’ve got work to do. Maybe over a pint and a pie someday.

Not to say you don’t have some valid points, it’s just a typical, manipulated/assumed/misinformed assessment of the situation, and a lot of it is bollocks. It also assumes that everybody who follows something/somebody thinks the exact same way, believes 100% in the same things etc., and that is just not true.

My point earlier was that @M17TT C was making a strange comparison between Camberwell’s joke and the rhetoric of Trump/Farage supporters. The crazy left’s rhetoric is, I’d argue, far worse and in more abundance.

Either way. **** you Jon Rudkin. Oh and we should sign Louie Bailey from Villa.
 
ThaiSweetChilli said:
You have way too much time on your hands, my friend. I won’t focus my energy to respond to this properly, as it requires a proper wash down, and an intelligent counter-argument, but I’ve got work to do. Maybe over a pint and a pie someday.

Not to say you don’t have some valid points, it’s just a typical, manipulated/assumed/misinformed assessment of the situation, and a lot of it is bollocks. It also assumes that everybody who follows something/somebody thinks the exact same way, believes 100% in the same things etc., and that is just not true.

My point earlier was that @M17TT C was making a strange comparison between Camberwell’s joke and the rhetoric of Trump/Farage supporters. The crazy left’s rhetoric is, I’d argue, far worse and in more abundance.

Either way. **** you Jon Rudkin. Oh and we should sign Louie Bailey from Villa.
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Why on earth would
A/ Villa sell Leon Bailey, to us
B/ Leon Bailey sign any kind of contract, with us, when he is at Aston Villa?
 
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