Confirmed Transfer Tom Hopper to Scunthorpe United (Loan)

[Nottingham Fox]

One month loan.

 

[East Anglia Fox]

That's probably his level.

 

[Lako42]

Baffles me as to why we persist with loaning these players out, he surely won't get another chance here.

 

[Nottingham Fox]

Baffles me as to why we persist with loaning these players out, he surely won't get another chance here.

He may do when we're relegated and Kramaric goes to Chelsea?

 

[East Anglia Fox]

Baffles me as to why we persist with loaning these players out, he surely won't get another chance here.

Isn't that what loaning out is for?

 

[DillyDing22]

Isn't that what loaning out is for?

not at all, loaning out should be to get first team football in order to gain experience for future use.

 

[East Anglia Fox]

Well that could happen. He's only recently turned 21. Some players take longer than others to break into the first team of their club. It's probably not going to happen, but it still could.

 

[Miles Away]

Schlupp went through the loan system and emerged.

 

[City Fan]

Schlupp went through the loan system and emerged.

Likewise Liam Moore was at Brentford on loan when he was 20.

 

[Feriol]

Even if the club know he'll never be good enough to play for us, surely there is a moral responsibility to help him forge a career. Allowing him to show what he can do has got to better than just releasing him?

 

[Lako42]

If he has the potential to play for us in the next year then why is he constantly going out on 1 month loans?

Surely it would be in the interests of the players development to play for 1 club for a sustained period of time?

 

[Jeff]

If he has the potential to play for us in the next year then why is he constantly going out on 1 month loans?

He's not. His only previous loan was at Bury, and he spent half a season there.

Surely it would be in the interests of the players development to play for 1 club for a sustained period of time?

If he does well in the first month it can be extended. If he goes for half a season but can't get into their team, he can't then go somewhere else.

 

[spionfox]

Even if the club know he'll never be good enough to play for us, surely there is a moral responsibility to help him forge a career.

Why?

If I get employed and don't turn out to be good enough, why would my employer have any moral responsibility to me?

 

[Jeff]

Why?

Because if we have a reputation for looking after young players, more young players will want to sign for us.

 

[spionfox]

Because if we have a reputation for looking after young players, more young players will want to sign for us.

That's a good reason to look after him but it fails to explain a so-called 'moral responsibility'.

 

[Matt_B]

If he has the potential to play for us in the next year then why is he constantly going out on 1 month loans?

Surely it would be in the interests of the players development to play for 1 club for a sustained period of time?

If we sold him now, we'd get peanuts. If he develops even into an OK Championship player we may get a fair bit more. Look what happened to Lukaku, a few good seasons out on loan and worth £30m.

 

[Feriol]

Why?

If I get employed and don't turn out to be good enough, why would my employer have any moral responsibility to me?

He and others like him will have spent most of his life being told he is going to be a proffesional footballer, having signed proffesional what is the likelyhood he would have learned another trade or gone to university?

Football clubs take children and lead them down an all or nothing path, doesn't seem right to just cast them off, especially when it's not going to cost anything to loan them out and give them an oppertunity.

 

[sparky79]

He and others like him will have spent most of his life being told he is going to be a proffesional footballer, having signed proffesional what is the likelyhood he would have learned another trade or gone to university?

Football clubs take children and lead them down an all or nothing path, doesn't seem right to just cast them off, especially when it's not going to cost anything to loan them out and give them an oppertunity.

Agree. Treating young players well is what the club should be built on. I take more pleasure out of watching Schlupp, Moore, King etc do well than i ever would watching a team like Man City who actively destroy homegrown players careers....

 

[Matt_B]

He and others like him will have spent most of his life being told he is going to be a proffesional footballer, having signed proffesional what is the likelyhood he would have learned another trade or gone to university?

Football clubs take children and lead them down an all or nothing path, doesn't seem right to just cast them off, especially when it's not going to cost anything to loan them out and give them an oppertunity.

I have to slightly disagree here. I teach a few kids attached to the club and my wife, at the high school has a fair few more. The line to the kids, from Leicester at least, is "only one in 20 of you will make it so you'd better not stop your school work." One child was slacking off at school and was dropped from the academy team until his report picked up.

 

[Feriol]

I have to slightly disagree here. I teach a few kids attached to the club and my wife, at the high school has a fair few more. The line to the kids, from Leicester at least, is "only one in 20 of you will make it so you'd better not stop your school work." One child was slacking off at school and was dropped from the academy team until his report picked up.

I think it would be different if at 16/17 they are told they are not good enough (but even then i would hope they are given some guidance and support in pursuing another career) but after beeing given a proffesional contract, can any youth be expected to edge his bets?

I don't think any club should be responsible for the rest of a players life, but Tom and others like him are given contracts, surely it will be seen as a statement that they are, or at least expected to be that 1 in 20.

I don't believe it would be right to let them rot until their contract expires without even trying to give them a chance elsewhere.