ULEZ & The Environment

[City Fan]

It won’t happen. The infrastructure is pathetic, ill thought out and not practical.

If you just take charging points as a first step. There are multiple service providers out there that all require their own app, password and so on, some even require you to have their card to use. It just doesn’t work.

A couple of years ago I decided to drive to Newcastle from London. After charging half way and then again near Newcastle it took me nearly 10 hours for a journey that should have been 7 including stops. If you don’t own an electric car they claim that a full charge can get you 300 miles, try putting the heating on in the car and watch that drop by half.

The cost of electricity is also meaning they aren’t that cheap to run either, any more.

Things have progressed significantly.

The majority of charge points you can just tap your debit card on and not need apps and passwords etc.

My car claims just over 400 miles and I can get 300 easily, even with heating on.

And I charge my car overnight at home for about 8p/kwh, which works out at about 2.5p per mile. So significantly cheaper to run than petrol cars. However if you charge on the public network, it works out about the same per mile as petrol depending on the exact cost of course.

The two main issues I currently see is for those people who don’t life in a house with a driveway, how on earth do they charge? As already mentioned, if they charge on the public network it’s expensive. And the second issue is the cost of the cars - it makes sense for me to have one as a company car because of the BIK implications, but I’d never buy one myself.

 

[fitz]

I haven't got one. I'd be an ideal target for one though. Office is a 3 minute drive from my house and I've got a driveway. If I didn't have a drive there'd be **** all chance I'd get one, local charging points are filled with DPD vans 24/7. Is it something like 1/3rd of motorists don't have a drive? There isn't much incentive for me to buy one as the initial spend is too high. The 2030 target will get some lobbying/bribes to shift that back 10 years.

 

[FOX Franks]

Things have progressed significantly.

The majority of charge points you can just tap your debit card on and not need apps and passwords etc.

My car claims just over 400 miles and I can get 300 easily, even with heating on.

And I charge my car overnight at home for about 8p/kwh, which works out at about 2.5p per mile. So significantly cheaper to run than petrol cars. However if you charge on the public network, it works out about the same per mile as petrol depending on the exact cost of course.

The two main issues I currently see is for those people who don’t life in a house with a driveway, how on earth do they charge? As already mentioned, if they charge on the public network it’s expensive. And the second issue is the cost of the cars - it makes sense for me to have one as a company car because of the BIK implications, but I’d never buy one myself.

We’ve just moved to a place with a driveway for two cars. That is the one single reason why I am even asking the question!

If we did not have the driveway, not a chance.

Cost of the car is ludicrous too. No chance anyone buys one off the bat, surely?

 

[Fox Fan]

Tesla recently added this feature to their app to show what costs would have been to do the same miles in a petrol car based on average costs. This year I've saved about £1,500.

Stats also show how infrequently I'm charging away from home, which is only 19% of the time. The majority of these charging sessions will be on my way to Devon/Cornwall. On that journey, I can go from home to Exeter with no range anxiety whatsoever. Exeter has two good Tesla charge options, Darts Farm and Exeter Services. By the time I've been in to get a coffee and go to the loo, the car will be at 80%+ and have plenty enough to get me to my final destination.

You do have to plan a bit and I've only once had an issue with charging, which was on the way back from the Preston match where something had gone wrong with the chargers at one of the services and it was charging slowly. Added about 20 mins to my journey.

Just a shame Elon Musk has stopped me getting another Tesla by being such a dick.

 

[Fox Fan]

We’ve just moved to a place with a driveway for two cars. That is the one single reason why I am even asking the question!

If we did not have the driveway, not a chance.

Cost of the car is ludicrous too. No chance anyone buys one off the bat, surely?

If you're looking at buying one, go second hand. The deprecation on some of them is staggering. For example, you can get this Mazda for £11k (although this is only really a good city car with it's range).

However, as a few people have illuded to, the best way to have an electric car is on a lease deal, ideally though your company if they offer salary sacrifice. As the spend is pre-tax, it means you're paying about 30-40% less than you normally would as a regular consumer.

Then again, you can get this fully electric Nissan Leaf, brand new on a lease for £187 a month with nothing down.

 

[Brown Nose]

Bunch of fecking car nerds.

Ooh, I've got a better charger than you.

 

[pork pie fox]

Bunch of fecking car nerds.

Ooh, I've got a better charger than you.

Have you? Which one have you got? Mine’s ok but nowt flashy.

 

[camberwell fox]

Do you find that’s still the case? I feel like it has changed quite a bit over the past 12/18 months, as more of the mainstream settings get set up. The only app I’ve got that I might need for charging is the Tesla app. I don’t have a Tesla and haven’t used their chargers yet, but I noticed I can do now, so have got it in case. The rest of the time I just tap my card on the machines and that’s it.

I got rid of mine probably 18 months ago, so maybe a lot has improved in that time PPF.

 

[camberwell fox]

Things have progressed significantly.

The majority of charge points you can just tap your debit card on and not need apps and passwords etc.

My car claims just over 400 miles and I can get 300 easily, even with heating on.

And I charge my car overnight at home for about 8p/kwh, which works out at about 2.5p per mile. So significantly cheaper to run than petrol cars. However if you charge on the public network, it works out about the same per mile as petrol depending on the exact cost of course.

The two main issues I currently see is for those people who don’t life in a house with a driveway, how on earth do they charge? As already mentioned, if they charge on the public network it’s expensive. And the second issue is the cost of the cars - it makes sense for me to have one as a company car because of the BIK implications, but I’d never buy one myself.

Do you have a Mini Cooper?

 

[pork pie fox]

I got rid of mine probably 18 months ago, so maybe a lot has improved in that time PPF.

Yeah that makes sense then Cambers. I’m not for one minute suggesting that things are perfect yet, but there has definitely been a fair move forwards over more recent times and you can see it expanding all the time.

 

[Joe_Fox]

I haven't got one. I'd be an ideal target for one though. Office is a 3 minute drive from my house and I've got a driveway. If I didn't have a drive there'd be **** all chance I'd get one, local charging points are filled with DPD vans 24/7. Is it something like 1/3rd of motorists don't have a drive? There isn't much incentive for me to buy one as the initial spend is too high. The 2030 target will get some lobbying/bribes to shift that back 10 years.

Three minute drive? Couldn't you just walk instead? Cheaper by miles. (Note. If you are unable to walk for some medical reason or something like that then apologies!)

 

[City Fan]

Do you have a Mini Cooper?

Yes it’s a top top car and I’m lucky to have it

(No I don’t)

 

[fitz]

Three minute drive? Couldn't you just walk instead?

If I don't have to collect kids from school I do. Still only a mile to do that but the town is a steep hill with work at the bottom and schools at the top.....so it'd take me ****ing ages to wander up, then roll back down.

 

[camberwell fox]

If I don't have to collect kids from school I do. Still only a mile to do that but the town is a steep hill with work at the bottom and schools at the top.....so it'd take me ****ing ages to wander up, then roll back down.

Get yoursen a leccy scooter from shopmobility.

 

[FOX Franks]

If you're looking at buying one, go second hand. The deprecation on some of them is staggering. For example, you can get this Mazda for £11k (although this is only really a good city car with it's range).
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However, as a few people have illuded to, the best way to have an electric car is on a lease deal, ideally though your company if they offer salary sacrifice. As the spend is pre-tax, it means you're paying about 30-40% less than you normally would as a regular consumer.

Then again, you can get this fully electric Nissan Leaf, brand new on a lease for £187 a month with nothing down.
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Salary sacrifice is how I’d be looking at doing it.

Still feels like a con, somehow.

 

[jb5000]

Mass car ownership feels like a con - I've joined a car club, renting one as and when I need it, on my bike or in the occassional taxi otherwise. Saved a fortune

 

[Blue Maniac]

Yes it’s a top top car and I’m lucky to have it

(No I don’t)