Waghorn

[Profondo Rosso]

That's fine for people like us who had the chance to watch these players but what about the younger generation who have only the likes of Waghorn to show for the last 5 years?

Precisely. I'm sure people who were/are old enough to have seen Banks and Rowley wouldn't have considered people like Claridge to be a Leicester legend either.

I don't think you really start appreciating these players til you get to a certain age.

Stevie Claridge was my hero as a kid and I had his name on the back of my shirt and I still have a lot of time for him, but I can't remember anything about his game. I never got excited by his performances. Even Muzzy who left a bit later, I still don't think I really took note of players' individual performances back then.

Fact is, we've had no one since I really started to understand the true emotional intensity and emotional connection with a football club, who there was really to get excited about until the past 2 seasons.

Claridge, Walsh, Izzet and O'Neill may have been legends to a different generation, as were Lineker and Wallington before that, as were Weller, Wortho, Shilton and Bloomfield before that, as were Banks, Rowley and McLintock before that etc. etc.

All of a sudden the past 2 seasons, there has been players and managers to really get excited about. Hobbs, Fryatt and Pearson are becoming heroes for my generation. They may not be as good or have done as much for the club in the past yet and don't get me wrong I appreciate and understand the club's history and everything those managers and players did for us in the past, but it's hard to form an emotional connection with such players or managers like the ones you really saw and appreciated in their prime.

That said, I wouldn't get that excited about Waghorn. He had one good season, but I wouldn't have put him anywhere near the contribution Hobbs or Fryatt have given over the past 2 seasons.

 

[David Gwilliam]

OK, so he did OK for us. But to the nutters signed up to a new Facebook group wetting themselves over him and calling him a Leicester Legend?

'Legend' is a big tag to put on anybody and I don't really think Waggy fits into the Walsh, Claridge, Lineker or Izzet category. Do you?

Legendary players are those whose folk memory is passed down through generations. So that no current player can be a legend. Even those fans who never saw them know about Shilton, Weller and Worthington. Legendary players now include players like Walsh and Izzet. It may be that some of the present squad will become legends but not yet.

If a young player on loan doing very well in the second half of a championship season is described as a legendary striker what word describes Worthington or Lineker.

 

[Profondo Rosso]

Legendary players are those whose folk memory is passed down through generations. So that no current player can be a legend. Even those fans who never saw them know about Shilton, Weller and Worthington. Legendary players now include players like Walsh and Izzet. It may be that some of the present squad will become legends but not yet.

If a young player on loan doing very well in the second half of a championship season is described as a legendary striker what word describes Worthington or Lineker.

Ryan Giggs or Paul Scholes can't be described as ManUtd legends?
John Terry or Frank Lampard can't be described as Chelsea legends?
Steve Gerrard can't be described as a Liverpool legend?

Really? Despite the fact they're widely considered as some of the best players ever to play for those clubs

And what about Fergie, surely he can be considered a ManUtd legend? Being the most prolific manager in the history of English football with them and all.

I understand that it's impressive that most fans know who Arthur Chandler is despite him playing for us 80 odd years ago, but it's hardly a player any of us here have any strong emotional connection towards as we never saw him play. I don't think there's any particular problem in people putting players they have fond memories of on pedestals.

Dave - I'm guessing you would have been brought up on tales of players like Gordon Banks, Dave Gibson and Arthur Rowley from your elders, but you don't have the same feeling of respect and hero status to you as Weller, Worthington or Shilton do who you saw play and can probably have countless memories of. I don't see what's wrong about younger people putting the players that excite them like no others have before on a pedestal like the older fans do with the heroes of their younger days.

If Lineker or Worthington who had 4 or 5 successful seasons here can be considered a legendary striker what word describes Arthur Chandler and Arthur Rowley?

It's all relative to generation.

 

[David Gwilliam]

Ryan Giggs or Paul Scholes can't be described as ManUtd legends?
John Terry or Frank Lampard can't be described as Chelsea legends?
Steve Gerrard can't be described as a Liverpool legend?

Really? Despite the fact they're widely considered as some of the best players ever to play for those clubs

And what about Fergie, surely he can be considered a ManUtd legend? Being the most prolific manager in the history of English football with them and all.

I understand that it's impressive that most fans know who Arthur Chandler is despite him playing for us 80 odd years ago, but it's hardly a player any of us here have any strong emotional connection towards as we never saw him play. I don't think there's any particular problem in people putting players they have fond memories of on pedestals.

Dave - I'm guessing you would have been brought up on tales of players like Gordon Banks, Dave Gibson and Arthur Rowley from your elders, but you don't have the same feeling of respect and hero status to you as Weller, Worthington or Shilton do who you saw play and can probably have countless memories of. I don't see what's wrong about younger people putting the players that excite them like no others have before on a pedestal like the older fans do with the heroes of their younger days.

If Lineker or Worthington who had 4 or 5 successful seasons here can be considered a legendary striker what word describes Arthur Chandler and Arthur Rowley?

It's all relative to generation.

The problem is that the word "legend" is misused to mean "great". However, legend involves folk memory which is why it is sometimes coupled with the word "myth".
Giggs and Rooney are great players. I believe both would have got into the legendary Busby Babes side alongside Duncan Edwards and Bobby Charlton but to call them legends is to misuse the word. They will surely become legends.
I never saw Banks play for Leicester although I saw him play for Stoke and Rowley was before I came to Leicester but yes they were legends. It is fair to say that Rowley is a local legend and when neutrals think of legendary centreforwards of the time they think of Nat Lofthouse and Jackie Milburn. (Lofthouse scored for England while unconscious - that is the kind of incident that eventually becomes legend).
I hope that I will still be going to matches in twenty years time when the Birch (still without a speck of grey in his hair) brings on Hobbs and Morrison at half time as legends from Nigel Pearson's legendary Premiership side.

 

[Profondo Rosso]

The problem is that the word "legend" is misused to mean "great". However, legend involves folk memory which is why it is sometimes coupled with the word "myth".
Giggs and Rooney are great players. I believe both would have got into the legendary Busby Babes side alongside Duncan Edwards and Bobby Charlton but to call them legends is to misuse the word. They will surely become legends.
I never saw Banks play for Leicester although I saw him play for Stoke and Rowley was before I came to Leicester but yes they were legends. It is fair to say that Rowley is a local legend and when neutrals think of legendary centreforwards of the time they think of Nat Lofthouse and Jackie Milburn. (Lofthouse scored for England while unconscious - that is the kind of incident that eventually becomes legend).
I hope that I will still be going to matches in twenty years time when the Birch (still without a speck of grey in his hair) brings on Hobbs and Morrison at half time as legends from Nigel Pearson's legendary Premiership side.

I see where you're coming from, but it's only a standard hyperbolic word really, I don't see the problem with younger people just giving hyperbole about players that have really excited them like no one has before though, especially when they've had so little to cheer about for almost a decade.

I hope you are right about Hobbs and Morrison coming on at HT in 20 years time to celebrate Pearson's legendary side, too.

 

[Macky]

I hope that I will still be going to matches in twenty years time when the Birch (still without a speck of grey in his hair) brings on Hobbs and Morrison at half time as legends from Nigel Pearson's legendary Premiership side.

Perhaps the Birch will be sponsored by Just For Men

 

[Leesoh]

I dreamt about Waggy last night.

 

[beaumontfox]

:icon_eek:

I hope it was in a totally non-sexual way Mrs. H.

 

[Leesoh]

:icon_eek:

I hope it was in a totally non-sexual way Mrs. H.

Of course, I am a lady, and it turned out he was also a gentleman.

 

[beaumontfox]

that's ok then!

 

[Matt_B]

We might get him now we have Kee's wage bill off the books.

 

[RHYDAL]

One of the Cardiff boys posted this on our site......

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFtZe4dzRXo[/YOUTUBE]

Waghorn shouldn't feel so bad......

 

[Harbro-Fox]

One of the Cardiff boys posted this on our site......

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFtZe4dzRXo[/YOUTUBE]

Waghorn shouldn't feel so bad......

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaawn.

What a legend Waghorn....http://www.lcfc.com/page/LatestNews/0,,10274~2055138,00.html

Makes it sound as though we could see him back here but I think it is unlikely unfortunately.

 

[londonfox]

One of the Cardiff boys posted this on our site......

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFtZe4dzRXo[/YOUTUBE]

Waghorn shouldn't feel so bad......

I guess Yann shouldn't feel so bad either then.

 

[beaumontfox]

Well, only if he had hit the ball properly and not kicked it like a 2 year old......

 

[RHYDAL]

What a legend

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