Whos to blame

[alex]

i was told yesterday that there are 11 players getting the chop in the summer and paul ince has been interviewed for the managers job in the summer this came from a coach at the club not TNBD

Got to interview Coleman too, although I have a feeling he may get the Newcastle job when Roeder gets the sack. Not sure I want Roeder here.

 

[newtonfox]

Got to interview Coleman too, although I have a feeling he may get the Newcastle job when Roeder gets the sack. Not sure I want Roeder here.

i would like Coleman here too but dont think it happen

 

[alex]

i would like Coleman here too but dont think it happen

Defintely won't happen if we drop to L1.

 

[newtonfox]

Defintely won't happen if we drop to L1.

we will be lucky to keep NW if we go down

 

[SJN-Fox]

Tags got it right on RL yesterday when he said that none of the players realise what this club means to the people of Leicestershire, so they don't know what they're fighting for.

 

[newtonfox]

Tags got it right on RL yesterday when he said that none of the players realise what this club means to the people of Leicestershire, so they don't know what they're fighting for.

never a truer word spoken

 

[Redditch Fox]

Tags got it right on RL yesterday when he said that none of the players realise what this club means to the people of Leicestershire, so they don't know what they're fighting for.

We have had so many changes over the past few years and brought in so many poor players that I'm afraid that any link between the club and it's support and history is now gone.

Part of the problem is the continuing appointing and sacking of managers but in all honesty there have been compelling reasons for them to be sacked.

I don't think Worthington is likely to be the answer - but it does now need someone to have a long term go at putting things back together. Unfortunately this may well be working from a league 1 starting point.

 

[Boy Genius]

In my opinion blame lies squarely at the door of Mandaric. The delays in the takeover were as much his doing as anyone else's.

When you take over a team in our position, you either make a change in manager straightaway or you back RK 100%. He did neither. It was obvious to everyone (including the players) that RK was going at the end of the season. Even if he didn't mean it, MM should have been talking up RK's strengthening the squad in the summer.

1. The managers authority is gone.
2. His motivation is shot to pieces.

In addition, MM has made it clear (via his pals at the Mirror) that this squad is going to be totally blitzed at the end of the season. In essence, he's said that the players are only here til the end of the season, then he's going to get some proper ones in.

1. What are the current lot playing for then?
2. Who are they playing for?

No wonder it looks like most of them don't give a stuff. You can argue about professional pride and getting a deal at another club but that doesn't really work with most of the pros today. All MM can do now if offer the lot of them a fat bonus for keeping us up and influence them via their pocket/greed.

what a load of garbage.......

 

[Dunc]

what a load of garbage.......

Actually not completely.

Mandaric's continued squeezing of the price was the main delay in the takeover and not the ex-board's deliberations of 1 bid.

If he had stuck to his orginal (or 2nd, or 3rd) bid then he would have been in by January for at least a couple of weeks to utilise the transfer window.

I'm not blaming him, he's a businessman and wants the best price, but I also don't think it was fair to blame the board via his media mouthpiece Anderson throughout the takeover period.

 

[Boy Genius]

Actually not completely.

Mandaric's continued squeezing of the price was the main delay in the takeover and not the ex-board's deliberations of 1 bid.

If he had stuck to his orginal (or 2nd, or 3rd) bid then he would have been in by January for at least a couple of weeks to utilise the transfer window.

I'm not blaming him, he's a businessman and wants the best price, but I also don't think it was fair to blame the board via his media mouthpiece Anderson throughout the takeover period.

exactly!!!! and if it meant waiting a bit longer to get his price thats what he did. The old board did their fair share of stalling too

 

[Bilborough Fox]

we will be lucky to keep NW if we go down

Don't know whether to be happy or sad at that

 

[Si Nick]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunc
Actually not completely.

Mandaric's continued squeezing of the price was the main delay in the takeover and not the ex-board's deliberations of 1 bid.

If he had stuck to his orginal (or 2nd, or 3rd) bid then he would have been in by January for at least a couple of weeks to utilise the transfer window.

I'm not blaming him, he's a businessman and wants the best price, but I also don't think it was fair to blame the board via his media mouthpiece Anderson throughout the takeover period.

exactly!!!! and if it meant waiting a bit longer to get his price thats what he did. The old board did their fair share of stalling too

So Boy Genius by your logic it's fine for Milan getting himself a great deal & we get relegated as a result ???????

 

[Boy Genius]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunc



So Boy Genius by your logic it's fine for Milan getting himself a great deal & we get relegated as a result ???????

Dont be a twat all your life have 5 minutes off, would you wrap up a business deal thats falling in favor of the vendors just to make them happy. No you feckin dont do you!
Our board were stalling too, and the deal is not done until all parties are happy.
Bottom line is RK was not doing his job properly was he?

 

[Dunc]

Dont be a twat all your life have 5 minutes off, would you wrap up a business deal thats falling in favor of the vendors just to make them happy. No you feckin dont do you!
Our board were stalling too, and the deal is not done until all parties are happy.
Bottom line is RK was not doing his job properly was he?

I think the point was that the blame apportioned to the board for stalling and prolonging the deal was harsh as it was MM who was creating the problems that led to us missing out on the January transfer window.

Interestingly, 3 ex-directors were willing to put in £250k of their own money for players in January. Not that it would have made a jot of difference but at least they were trying to put their own money in for the good of the club, they just weren't as rich as MM.

 

[Brown Nose]

what a load of garbage.......

Facts.

1. MM stalled the takeover on several occasions in order to get a better deal.

2. For at least a month prior to his dismissal, RK was 99% certain that he was not going to be manager next season.

3. The players are at least 50% certain that they won't be here next season.

Have any of these factors made us more or less likely to be relegated this season? In my opinion, all three have made it more likely and all three are the responsibility of MM. I understand his reasoning for doing all three and I agree with them all in a way, but they've fecked us up big time.

I'm not saying that RK, the previous board etc are not far more responsible in the big scheme of things, but I do believe that if MM had handled those three things better, we'd be safe right now.

 

[Spanky Fox]

who to blame in simple terms:

1. Players and lack of confidence and fitness
2. Rob Kelly, coaching poor and management skills under-acheived, didn't have the ability to get the best out of players
3. MM Takeover took far too long for us to improve on the side and now we in a mess.

 

[Boy Genius]

Facts.

1. MM stalled the takeover on several occasions in order to get a better deal.

2. For at least a month prior to his dismissal, RK was 99% certain that he was not going to be manager next season.

3. The players are at least 50% certain that they won't be here next season.

Have any of these factors made us more or less likely to be relegated this season? In my opinion, all three have made it more likely and all three are the responsibility of MM. I understand his reasoning for doing all three and I agree with them all in a way, but they've fecked us up big time.

I'm not saying that RK, the previous board etc are not far more responsible in the big scheme of things, but I do believe that if MM had handled those three things better, we'd be safe right now.

1. can you blame him? would you buy your house for more than you needed to?

2. well there was still the 1% chance left there, and I am now more glad he has gone knowning that. Not very professional is it as he was still taking 100% of his wages

3. see No.2 above and replace RK with useless players. Same thing applies IMO.


The stalling on the takeover would have been more down to our board not knowing quite what to do.

We are talking about pro footballers here, and this should not have affected them to this degree at all.

 

[Redditch Fox]

1. can you blame him? would you buy your house for more than you needed to?

2. well there was still the 1% chance left there, and I am now more glad he has gone knowning that. Not very professional is it as he was still taking 100% of his wages

3. see No.2 above and replace RK with useless players. Same thing applies IMO.


The stalling on the takeover would have been more down to our board not knowing quite what to do.

We are talking about pro footballers here, and this should not have affected them to this degree at all.

Good sense.

We can blame incompetence by Kelly.

But we can mainly blame the players - I don't buy the argument that the players should give pack it in cos they are going to be moved on. If they had anything about them then they would be trying to attract other clubs - in the same way that Dickov and Thatcher & co put in a big effort once they realised we were going down.

As for the takeover - all that emerged from that process was that the club was in freefall - worth next to nothing - squad worth next to nothing so MM quite rightly paid - next to nothing.

The old board, the crappy management and a bunch of the worst players ever to represent Leicester have all brought us to this.

I fear the worst now - but whether we go down or scrape survival, the stable needs a thorough clean out.

 

[stevewalshwasgod]

These next four games are the most important games ever for City now forget the past this is the present....

 

[Foxello]

Tags got it right on RL yesterday when he said that none of the players realise what this club means to the people of Leicestershire, so they don't know what they're fighting for.

I think that is the best quote i have seen so far on this thread, i have and always will love this club. We need to stay up or else there is not much chance of coming back unless MM decides to stick with us through it all. I remember a time not so long ago when the players used to love playing for us, and understood what the team meant to the fans, a time when we were getting top 10 places in the Premier League. A time when even the higher ranked teams like Man U, Liverpool and Arsenal did not like the prospect of playing us, and now we lose 2-1 to the likes of Norwich and we have not won in 9 games, soon to be maybe more unless are players can shape up, take there fingers out fo their arses and start playing some decent English Football and take us to the top teir again. I honestly think that only a few of the players have the heart or at least the skill to play for us at the minute. It is a damn shame when you can only name about 3-5 players on a squad in which you actually want to keep. But in closing, i also think that we need to "Keep The Faith" in our club and keep filling the stadium to show what the club actually means to each and every one of us, and what it will always mean to us.