Why slag big Matt?

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DesertFox

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RIGHT, here I go...... :roll:

I'm getting a bit fed up with the slagging Matt Elliot gets on here from some quarters. I can't understand it. People have very short memories...

Matt Elliot was one of the most important players this club has had in the past ten years, one of the key players in the club's most successful period in its history. He was part of the formidable 'spine' O'Neil assembled, along with Neil Lennon and the much maligned Emile Heskey (more about him later). These three were more important, in my opinion, than Izzett and Savage, who were close behind, along with Walsh (although Elliot was a far superior player), Flowers, Claridge and Cottee. Matt Elliot pretty much singlehandedly won us one of the two 'major' trophies this club has won in its 120 year history!

It seems that a lot of fans resent him for the huge contract P**** T***** gave him. I can understand that to a point, but let's not forget that, at the time, huge contracts were the order of the day. And PT was a twat, of course. Neil Lennon earned a lot more, a lot earlier than Elliot did. I imagine Muzzy was on a pretty good whack too.

Muzzy is treated like a god, and, fair enough, he was a very good player for us. I always liked him - class, although went missing a bit in his last two years. However, if we always expect our players to "do the right thing", then it follows that Muzzy is a traitor (I personally don't think like that at all, for the record). We could have sold him to Villa or Middlesborough for something like 4m quid, but he didn't "do the right thing" and chose not to go - instead he stayed to the end of his contract and walked away for nothing. That's his perogative, and good luck to him. The club had accepted the offers for Izzett, while Elliot, on the other hand, was denied a chance to join O'Neil at Celtic by PT, and the club lost out on that transfer fee.

Why should we expect Matt to take a wage drop, retire, or whatever it is we think he should do, for the good of the club? OK, the club is not rolling in cash right now, but if he did take a wage decrease or retire to save us money, what would the club do? Spend that money on replacing him!!! People say "ah, but if my company was in trouble I'd take a wage drop to help out", but would you take a wage drop or even walk away so your employer could spend that money to get someone younger in to do your job? I don't think so! Turkeys... Xmas... you get my drift...

We expect loyalty and committment from our players - they expect the same loyalty and committment in return. Why shouldn't they? As a team, we have been sadly lacking in passion and commitment for a while, and I don't shed many tears when one of our current crop gets the boot. But Matty was (and still probably is, for all we know) a wholehearted, committed team player - I think we should afford him some respect in return.

Players have to change their allegiances unless they play for the team they supported as boys. Muzzy was a West Ham fan, but has never played for them. If he is "Leicester through and through" as some fans choose to believe, then he has to be considered a fairweather fan, especially by West Ham supporters. I'm not about to change my club, and I doubt any of you are either. But the point is, all players are the same, with the possible exception of people like Steve Bull, Matt Le Tissier, etc, who never moved on from their local clubs (even Le Tissier was from the Channel Islands so doesn't exactly count). It's about time that fans got over this - ex-players say "I always look out for their results" - well, whoopee-do! It's a job and if their job is to play for another team, they should be professoinal and get on with it. Why do some fans get all pissed off about it?

Back to Heskey - despite his lack of goals for a big striker, he was, and still is, a class act and the best front man we have had for many years. At times he was propping up the whole team, from left back. Not many other strikers can do that. And what's more, he's a Leicester lad who, judging by the six figure sum he gave to our cause when we really needed it, he genuinely loves this club like all of us do. What a hero! Everyone stand up and applaud Mr Emile Heskey!

Some people have been thanking Tricky Trev for his 4+ years at the club, and some are even calling him a legend. Ha! Trev couldn't force his way into a poor LCFC team in four whole years. Nice bloke, but a crap footballer and not fit to clean Emile's boots.

I could go on to further examine the hatred towards our most important player of the past three years, Paul Dickov. But I won't [sighs of relief all round] as I've probably said enough now...

Oh, and I fully expect a "terse" response from Webbo, correcting all my facts! :wink: :P
 
DesertFox said:
I'm getting a bit fed up with the slagging Matt Elliot gets on here from some quarters. I can't understand it. People have very short memories...

Matt Elliot was one of the most important players this club has had in the past ten years, one of the key players in the club's most successful period in its history. He was part of the formidable 'spine' O'Neil assembled, along with Neil Lennon and the much maligned Emile Heskey (more about him later). Matt Elliot pretty much singlehandedly won us one of the two 'major' trophies this club has won in its 120 year history!

It seems that a lot of fans resent him for the huge contract P**** T***** gave him. I can understand that to a point, but let's not forget that, at the time, huge contracts were the order of the day. And PT was a twat, of course.
agree, matt may cost us over the odds now, but he's earned it
 
What a well thought out, excellently constructed post !!!

This is the post of the year so far IMO - Matt Elliott is a true legend and I don't begrudge him one penny of that 5 year contract.

Nice one Desert :-)
 
The real criminals are the former management team and board who gave such a massive contract in terms of duration and wages to a 33 year old footballer!!!

that is almost suicidal and almost cost us our club BUT anyone of us would have signed the contract, it's just so frustrating that in this day and age Matt Elliotts weekly wage probably pays for about 5 or 6 of our first team and infact we could probably sign about 5 or 6 more decent players with the wages we would save instead of one injury prone defender but it's not Matts fault
 
I agree with this, but am slightly bemused at it. Surely we should look forward rather than backwards?
 
Joe_Fox said:
I agree with this, but am slightly bemused at it. Surely we should look forward rather than backwards?

Depends who's behind you.
 
Agree with yer sentiments, Desert Fox - but the fact is that the Taylor contracts (and a couple of those signed while MON was here) have been a millstone round our necks for a long time, and it is understandabkle that people will lash out at a situation that is currently holding the club back financially

No one (I think) can forget the contribution made by Elliott, but you cannot dwell on past glories. It is here and now that matters for most football fans - I'm not saying that is right, but it is the reason that Elliott is mentioned continuously

Must just say however that:

Matt Elliot pretty much singlehandedly won us one of the two 'major' trophies this club has won in its 120 year history!

And:

Heskey - despite his lack of goals for a big striker, he was, and still is, a class act and the best front man we have had for many years. At times he was propping up the whole team, from left back.

Are complete twaddle, but I'll put it down to a passionate defence of Matty rather than anything else............... :wink:
 
Matty`s beed a truly great player for us, as has been said he can`t be blamed for the BOARD giving him a daft contract, however, it`s VERY unlikely he`ll play again and he is "probably" about to get a deal, not dissimilar to that of Big Trev !
 
DesertFox said:
Muzzy is treated like a god, and, fair enough, he was a very good player for us. I always liked him - class, although went missing a bit in his last two years. However, if we always expect our players to "do the right thing", then it follows that Muzzy is a traitor (I personally don't think like that at all, for the record). We could have sold him to Villa or Middlesborough for something like 4m quid, but he didn't "do the right thing" and chose not to go - instead he stayed to the end of his contract and walked away for nothing.

I said the same thing in the summer...

http://www.talkingballs.co.uk/bb/vi...stdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0#122624
 
I think a foot is a legend personally.
 
mad biker said:
Matty`s beed a truly great player for us, as has been said he can`t be blamed for the BOARD giving him a daft contract, however, it`s VERY unlikely he`ll play again and he is "probably" about to get a deal, not dissimilar to that of Big Trev !

Ouch, not a nice way to go out!

I would still feel more comfortable with Elliott and Taggart at the back then anyone else at the club. If I have one criticism of MA its that he shouldn't have let taggs go...he could have been very useful this season!
 
SilverFox said:
mad biker said:
Matty`s beed a truly great player for us, as has been said he can`t be blamed for the BOARD giving him a daft contract, however, it`s VERY unlikely he`ll play again and he is "probably" about to get a deal, not dissimilar to that of Big Trev !

Ouch, not a nice way to go out!

I would still feel more comfortable with Elliott and Taggart at the back then anyone else at the club. If I have one criticism of MA its that he shouldn't have let taggs go...he could have been very useful this season!

Thats the best you can come up with? :lol: :roll:
 
I'm sure he could do better but y'know, whatyagonnado?
 
Matty was brilliant for many years and IS a legend in this club. It was not his fault that the previous board/manager gave him a stupid contract ( ie relegation and not playing because you are old/slow/crap clauses).
We are in a financial mess, he has pocketed £8 million+ over the last 5 years. His wages would cover at least 5 players. He will always be my hero but would be more so if some agreement could be reached like with Trev that would give CL some money before the March deadline.
 
I don't see how paying off Elliott now would give us more money overall by March?! We would have less surely (even if we only paid off 50% of the remaining money on the contract).

Big Matt was great. I thought his standard of play definitely dipped under PT though, and obviously his contract extension combined with pay increase has been a big hindrance to the advancement of the club. Still a legend, as said before, for his great work under O'Neill.

SamJ
 
SamuearlJackson said:
I don't see how paying off Elliott now would give us more money overall by March?! We would have less surely (even if we only paid off 50% of the remaining money on the contract).

Big Matt was great. I thought his standard of play definitely dipped under PT though, and obviously his contract extension combined with pay increase has been a big hindrance to the advancement of the club. Still a legend, as said before, for his great work under O'Neill.

SamJ

It would free money from this years budget. ie it would cost us a bit more in the short term if we had to pay him say 2 months money up front but then we would save the money we dont have to pay him for the remainder of his contract. This money can be shifted about to free cash up immediatley.
 
Depite my hatred of PT, I don't think giving a 30 year old a 5 year contract is such a crime.

Think Back! 3 Premiership Top Ten finishes, 2 Worthington Cups and a host of clubs sniffing round our best players after MoN had left.

Presumably PT and the board were extremely confident that such a high achieving club, who had £28 million in the bank to strengthen the team would go on to greater things.

30 year old Matt Elliott was one of the Premiership's top defenders and most of the fans were highly delighted when he agreed to sign.

As it happens, PT got us relegated, spent all the money on idiots and took the club to the brink of extinction. I appreciate that hindsight is a wonderful thing and we may as well have let Matty go to Celtic for all the good it did us, but it was the right decision at the time. Peter Taylor Was Not!!!!!
 
Agree that we can't blame Matt for signing this massive contract but himself and his agent were let's say 'opportunists'. Although Matt had only just signed a three year deal with us, he then negotiated another 2 years and a pay increase when rumours about a Liverpool move came out.

Robbie Savage has come in for some criticism for trying a similar thing at Birmingham, although the people that run their club are probably a touch wiser than the gaylords that we had in charge a few years ago.

Not long ago LCFC were looking for local people with a bit of spare cash to save the club. I don't begrudge Matt his contract at all but he would do his image no harm by maybe donating a small sum to LCFC when his contract expires, afterall he is now one of the richest men in Leicestershire!
 
Bobby Smith said:
Not long ago LCFC were looking for local people with a bit of spare cash to save the club. I don't begrudge Matt his contract at all but he would do his image no harm by maybe donating a small sum to LCFC when his contract expires, afterall he is now one of the richest men in Leicestershire!

I think that with the money Matty has earned from city he should terminate his contract at city and forgo any outstanding moneys on his contract. It would be a great gester, realesing some cash for other players that can help the club stayup
 
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