A question for those who would see Pearson sacked

[Hazzman]

He took over the biggest team in the First Division, but one with little money, .

Sorry to be pedantic but we were favourites alongside a bigger club from Yorkshire who failed on that occasion to gain promotion.

 

[Feriol]

However, only one of the groups decides to seize upon the other with inane and downright abusive comments. Those of you that think that changing the manager would be insanity and to call for it is an act of footballing treason and think the likes of me to be '****s' and so on, do not make an argument in favour of NP. You just think that change is somehow a bad thing.

Not sure if you meant me but you did say 'those of you' in reply to my post, so i'll just clarify that i have made no judgements of other people or their opinions.

It is just my opinion that being 2 points off the playoffs with 120 points still to play for would be a very rash decision.

 

[The Old Fox]

I don't see how anyone can make any kind of assessment on where we are this season after such a short amount of time.

If you mean by that, that it is an opinion as opposed to a provable fact; then I plead guilty: nobody can know for certain that Peterborough will not win the Championship title, but I doubt that they will. I look at the Leicester players and see several pretty good signings, but not a good team. I do not think that the defence is too bad, simply short of numbers and exposed by a midfield without bite.

I see little evidence that de Laet is any better (or worse) than Peltier, Morgan is good Championship level, but no more, as is Drinkwater. I believe that James is a good player - just not as part of a two man centre midfield. Knockaert and Marshall are excellent but have demonstrated no defensive qualities, therefore, we either play one or the other, or five in midfield.

I do not and never have rated Vardy but, even were he to, eventually, come good, I would suggest that he was the wrong signing. Were Barnsley, Leeds or one of the teams without funds to take a risk on Vardy, one could understand but, a manager whose brief, we are continuously told, is promotion this season, should be looking at proven Championship level strikers, before breaking a working partnership.

Nigel Pearson bought Vardy on the back of 31 goals in 34 games (or something similar) at non-league level and many seem to have "bought Pearson" on the back of his getting us promoted from Division One. Both are find that things have moved on since then and I do not see any signs that either are adapting to the new circumstances - and yes, that's opinion, not fact.

 

[The Old Fox]

Sorry to be pedantic but we were favourites alongside a bigger club from Yorkshire who failed on that occasion to gain promotion.

Was that the one hit by an unfair ten point deduction just prior to the start of the season?

 

[Hazzman]

There are some that see us as under-performing and believe we will get better without a managerial change. And then there are some who see us as under-performing and do not believe we will get better without a managerial change. Both views are entirely valid. Both views are impossible to disprove without the benefit of clairvoyance.

However, only one of the groups decides to seize upon the other with inane and downright abusive comments. Those of you that think that changing the manager would be insanity and to call for it is an act of footballing treason and think the likes of me to be '*****' and so on, do not make an argument in favour of NP. You just think that change is somehow a bad thing.

There are hundreds of examples of changing a manager for the better, and hundreds of examples where it didn't work. As a principle, arguing one way or the other is pointless.

I like to judge what I see and develop an opinion. Time makes no difference whatsoever, if the evidence doesn't change. NP's impact last season was disappointing. I saw us against Peterborough this season and thought, oh dear, this isn't good. There were too many things wrong. We proceeded to lose four of our next five games demonstrating considerable deficiencies. In victory on Wednesday night, we demonstrated the same deficiencies. NP has a worse record than Sven, he's had almost a year and a substantial budget to improve things and I don't think we're any better now than we were a year ago. In many respects we're quite a bit worse. For example, there is evidence that many good players are not fulfilling their potential working for him. The shape of the side is poor. We're not organised defensively at all. We're a soft touch, without a physical presence except for Morgan. And so on.

If something is plainly not working, I'm someone who believes in attempting to fix it by doing something being more likely to be effective than hoping it corrects itself.

I think I posted on here after one game of Sousa's reign calling for him to be sacked and got dogs abuse for it. But it was a view I was entitled to. I wanted Taylor out in the close season before the 0-5 reverse to Bolton where the majority turned on him. But I've also been totally wrong in my judgements, though I can't recall one about a City manager being proved wrong for some time.

The Thai's are the only ones with an opinion that matters and I think they've made understandable and valid firing decisions when they've made them, but very poor hiring decisions.

I wouldn't be surprised to see NP sacked at some point soon. In fact, I think he probably deserves to be. If this makes me a **** or similar in some people's eyes, so be it.

A final point I'd make is that I've never believed that NP has got what it takes to manage at the top level. He's a dour, predictable, safe manager. This influences my opinion in that even if he did somehow get these players into a play off that we were successful in, our subsequent performance at the higher level would be disasterous. So if this is my view, why not advocate looking for someone who could potentially do better? There are some highly capable managers out there that would jump at the chance of this job and who would be more likely (in my view) of getting some success out of the players we have.

Firstly let's write off a few things there. Under NP was the only time we were positioned in the top six and we never achieved that under Sven during his time here. You've seen us three times I assume and based an opinion from that. We were largely excellent at the now league leaders and should have gained at least a point at Charlton. On occasions during the Blackburn game, we looked the most encouraging away from home I had us in a long time.

NP has a better win percentage than Sven. To add to that for that for the first time this Summer we've seen a budget implimented which meant one in, one out.

Given that in one section of the post you said you form an opinion off what you see, you've already written off Pearson as a manager at the top level. For me, he would actually be good in the role because he would be the underdog clearly a role he relishes.

As for capable managers, name please. You have Billy Davies and Mick McCarthy in the proven promotion winners categories but you could level the same criticism at McCarthy for his style as Pearson and Davies is the total turd when it comes to spending money.

 

[Hazzman]

Was that the one hit by an unfair ten point deduction just prior to the start of the season?

No. Leeds had the points deducted the previous season.

 

[Real Sharapova]

No. Leeds had the points deducted the previous season.

That's as maybe, but perhaps they were still depressed about it. Very sensitive, Yorkshire folk.

 

[The Old Fox]

No. Leeds had the points deducted the previous season.

Ah, sorry: shouldn't trust my defective memory! :icon_bigg

 

[Doggie_muz]

The first post is actually a good one. Interesting to see that an outsider thinks we should "steamroller" the division. (I think you were being serious).

The second post was almost funny but the message is a good one.

More of that and you can stay!

Echo this. A surprising post. Very much encourage more of the same.

 

[gregs_y2k]

A final point I'd make is that I've never believed that NP has got what it takes to manage at the top level. He's a dour, predictable, safe manager. This influences my opinion in that even if he did somehow get these players into a play off that we were successful in, our subsequent performance at the higher level would be disasterous. So if this is my view, why not advocate looking for someone who could potentially do better? There are some highly capable managers out there that would jump at the chance of this job and who would be more likely (in my view) of getting some success out of the players we have.

I have to agree with you here. I've always thought that whilst there was a chance Pearson would get us promoted, I certainly believe we would get ripped apart in the Premier League under his guidance and simply come straight back down. I'm not necessarily calling for Pearson's head yet, but if we're trying to build for the future surely this is just as important as giving a manager time.

 

[alli1]

I feel that the main problem with pearson is that he cant control the big wage earners in his squad ,hes fine handling the new boys on lower wages ,but hes seems to be lost with players such as mills beckford ,st ledger players of tahat standing

 

[Lako42]

Was that the one hit by an unfair ten point deduction just prior to the start of the season?

Can't be, he said 'Bigger club' Leeds have been no bigger than us for a very long time.

 

[gregs_y2k]

Can't be, he said 'Bigger club' Leeds have been no bigger than us for a very long time.

It's not that long really. Unless you're considering our last successful run a very long time ago. It's been a while but I wouldn't say it was ancient history.

 

[Miles Away]

After a wee bit of reflection this is exactly the conclusion I came to. There isn't another club in this league that would be having this conversation after the start we've had. Any manager that takes the reins at City is under immediate and constant pressure...any run of bad results could lead to the chop. The entire club is a pressure cooker and nobody around the place ever looks to be enjoying themselves...Even Nugent looks miserable.

The fans are frustrated (for good reason) of years of mediocrity and are showing signs of desperation to get out. The owners are scrambling for a return on investment, the manager is constantly worried about job security and the players are consistently unsettled.

It's like the entire club is in quicksand and the more we try and thrash our way out of it, the worse it gets.

I put this in a different thread...probably more pertinent here though. Wibble.

 

[cafe]

Lako when Sunderland beat Leeds in FA cup it was a massive giantKilling.Most people would say Sunderland are a bigger club than Leicester.I am not talking about current or past league positions-just perceptions held by the average punter.
NB I don"t like Leeds but they are bigger than us.
Derby-great family club
Wolves-great to see fans from all sectors of the community singing together.

 

[londonfox]

He had 15 months.

I was going to do my research on that but I went on the theory that the first post had been made after accurate research - obviously I was wrong.

 

[Hazzman]

Can't be, he said 'Bigger club' Leeds have been no bigger than us for a very long time.

How many do we average for away games?

Nothing like the 3,500 Leeds do.

Leeds are bigger. Like it or loathe it. Outside the six biggest clubs in the country, they are in the next bracket.

 

[The Old Fox]

I'd quite like to turn this around: those who want to retain Pearson - why?

As per the original question, I do not wish to ask aggressively, I would be interested in what people think that NP has/will add to the team this time around. May we take the "longevity is a good thing" argument as read? I am interested in why the squad is better now than the day that Sven left.

 

[gregs_y2k]

I'd quite like to turn this around: those who want to retain Pearson - why?

As per the original question, I do not wish to ask aggressively, I would be interested in what people think that NP has/will add to the team this time around. May we take the "longevity is a good thing" argument as read? I am interested in why the squad is better now than the day that Sven left.

I'd say the one positive is that the wage bill has been reduced, which I do think was spiralling out of control.

In terms of quality I don't think we've moved forward. It looks like we're entering a second consecutive season with unrest in the dressing room, which taken with Pearson's first stint and fallouts with DJ and Gradel goes a long way to proving he is a poor man manager.

 

[Feriol]

I'd quite like to turn this around: those who want to retain Pearson - why?

As per the original question, I do not wish to ask aggressively, I would be interested in what people think that NP has/will add to the team this time around. May we take the "longevity is a good thing" argument as read? I am interested in why the squad is better now than the day that Sven left.

As i stated above i don't think 2 points off the playoffs with 120 to play for is just cause to sack him. I don't believe the squad is any better, but i don't think it needs to be to achieve a playoff place. There are some things on the pitch that need addressing, but i can't say after 6 games of a season that i believe Pearson is incapable of addressing them.