A question for those who would see Pearson sacked

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I'd say the one positive is that the wage bill has been reduced, which I do think was spiralling out of control.
I'm intrigued - People keep posting knowledgeably about the wages of individual players and /or the squad as a whole.

Can anyone tell me where all this information is available, cos I'm buggered if I can find any such details
 
fallouts with DJ and Gradel goes a long way to proving he is a poor man manager.

If you wished to be balanced, what about some of the players he's helped? Andy King for starters. Ben Marshall has recently commented how happy he is under Pearson. Hobbs another example (only for him to go off the rails under Sven and Sousa).

I'd quite like to turn this around: those who want to retain Pearson - why?

As per the original question, I do not wish to ask aggressively, I would be interested in what people think that NP has/will add to the team this time around. May we take the "longevity is a good thing" argument as read? I am interested in why the squad is better now than the day that Sven left.

We are six games into a season.
 
fallouts with DJ and Gradel goes a long way to proving he is a poor man manager.

This is backed up by how both DJ and Gradel have settled since they left Leicester with them not having any trouble with other managers...
 
....and fallouts with DJ and Gradel goes a long way to proving he is a poor man manager.

Beckford too. Hmm. Good job Matt Mills is in the fallout list too otherwise questions might be asked.


Yes I am being facetious.
 
I'd quite like to turn this around: those who want to retain Pearson - why?

As per the original question, I do not wish to ask aggressively, I would be interested in what people think that NP has/will add to the team this time around. May we take the "longevity is a good thing" argument as read? I am interested in why the squad is better now than the day that Sven left.

Feriol, Hazz and Willlow pretty much sum it up. I think the squad is as good as last season, and in some places better. The defence is lighter on numbers but Marshall and Knockaert are streets ahead of Dyer and Gallagher. Drinkwater looks better than Wellens and James' jury is still out.

Not getting full back cover is a mistake though I assume the reasoning behind it will be that we have Schlupp and SSL and Moore who can cover for one salary.

The goals conceded so far have mostly been down to stupid individual mistakes and the players look nervous and edgy until we score. I have no idea why this is but I think the weight of expectation has something to do with it. I think Pearson will sort this out as he did it in before. I don't know if Pearson is the right man to achieve what we need, but the evidence before me is that he did it with us and Hull and that changing regularly has failed to work. I would sooner give him the time to prove one way or another rather than repeat the same cycle that has thus far not worked.
 
The closest we have got in recent seasons to promotion was under NP. I think the squad we have now is better than the squad we had then. For me NP also has the right philosophy of bringing in young players and getting them to play for the shirt rather than old pros looking for a final payday. Players such as Knockaert, Marshall, Drinkwater and James show more potential than Fernandes, Johnson, Vassell.

However, my main problem with the calls of NP getting the sack is that a manager should be judged on how they have done during the season not after 6 games. I still think Sven should have been given more time than he was and I think NP should be given time.

Obviously you have expectations - fighting in the relegation zone would not be acceptable. However, on the edge of the play offs and within touching distance of the automatic spots is IMO perfectly acceptable.
 
The closest we have got in recent seasons to promotion was under NP. I think the squad we have now is better than the squad we had then. For me NP also has the right philosophy of bringing in young players and getting them to play for the shirt rather than old pros looking for a final payday. Players such as Knockaert, Marshall, Drinkwater and James show more potential than Fernandes, Johnson, Vassell.

However, my main problem with the calls of NP getting the sack is that a manager should be judged on how they have done during the season not after 6 games. I still think Sven should have been given more time than he was and I think NP should be given time.

Obviously you have expectations - fighting in the relegation zone would not be acceptable. However, on the edge of the play offs and within touching distance of the automatic spots is IMO perfectly acceptable.

Pretty much sums it up for me. We have an 85%+ chance if not getting promoted at the beginning of the season so I'd take being in with a shout at this point.
 
There are some that see us as under-performing and believe we will get better without a managerial change. And then there are some who see us as under-performing and do not believe we will get better without a managerial change. Both views are entirely valid. Both views are impossible to disprove without the benefit of clairvoyance.

However, only one of the groups decides to seize upon the other with inane and downright abusive comments. Those of you that think that changing the manager would be insanity and to call for it is an act of footballing treason and think the likes of me to be '****s' and so on, do not make an argument in favour of NP. You just think that change is somehow a bad thing.

There are hundreds of examples of changing a manager for the better, and hundreds of examples where it didn't work. As a principle, arguing one way or the other is pointless.

I like to judge what I see and develop an opinion. Time makes no difference whatsoever, if the evidence doesn't change. NP's impact last season was disappointing. I saw us against Peterborough this season and thought, oh dear, this isn't good. There were too many things wrong. We proceeded to lose four of our next five games demonstrating considerable deficiencies. In victory on Wednesday night, we demonstrated the same deficiencies. NP has a worse record than Sven, he's had almost a year and a substantial budget to improve things and I don't think we're any better now than we were a year ago. In many respects we're quite a bit worse. For example, there is evidence that many good players are not fulfilling their potential working for him. The shape of the side is poor. We're not organised defensively at all. We're a soft touch, without a physical presence except for Morgan. And so on.

If something is plainly not working, I'm someone who believes in attempting to fix it by doing something being more likely to be effective than hoping it corrects itself.

I think I posted on here after one game of Sousa's reign calling for him to be sacked and got dogs abuse for it. But it was a view I was entitled to. I wanted Taylor out in the close season before the 0-5 reverse to Bolton where the majority turned on him. But I've also been totally wrong in my judgements, though I can't recall one about a City manager being proved wrong for some time.

The Thai's are the only ones with an opinion that matters and I think they've made understandable and valid firing decisions when they've made them, but very poor hiring decisions.

I wouldn't be surprised to see NP sacked at some point soon. In fact, I think he probably deserves to be. If this makes me a **** or similar in some people's eyes, so be it.

A final point I'd make is that I've never believed that NP has got what it takes to manage at the top level. He's a dour, predictable, safe manager. This influences my opinion in that even if he did somehow get these players into a play off that we were successful in, our subsequent performance at the higher level would be disasterous. So if this is my view, why not advocate looking for someone who could potentially do better? There are some highly capable managers out there that would jump at the chance of this job and who would be more likely (in my view) of getting some success out of the players we have.


What a good length for a post.

If a manager is not up to the job sack him; if he is keep him even if there is a crisis - which there isn't at Leicester at the moment.

In 1977 things began going wrong as players like Sammels, Weller and Birchenall were past their best. The result was a downturn and Jimmy Bloomfield was sacked. In retrospect Bloomfield, was the best man to solve the crisis.

You need to be pretty sure you will get somebody better if you sack a manager. When Jimmy Bloomfield left the new manager got us relegated and it took twenty years to get a manager as good. The last time Pearson was "forced out" (Gerry Taggart's words) we got Paulo Sousa. I hope the Thais will keep Nigel even if we do not get promotion this season. Patience.
 
Players such as Knockaert, Marshall, Drinkwater and James show more potential than Fernandes, Johnson, Vassell.

I can't agree that either Drinkwater or James show more potential than Fernandes.
 
Keeping NP will bring stability to the team and the club. However, I think that stability will be a stable mid table spot season upon season.

Whilst maybe we shouldn't be getting rid of NP and getting some stability, nor should we have appointed him in the first place if promotion really is the target.
 
Keeping NP will bring stability to the team and the club. However, I think that stability will be a stable mid table spot season upon season.

Whilst maybe we shouldn't be getting rid of NP and getting some stability, nor should we have appointed him in the first place if promotion really is the target.


Or we could get promoted..the only way to find out is to give Pearson the season
 
How many do we average for away games?

Nothing like the 3,500 Leeds do.

Leeds are bigger. Like it or loathe it. Outside the six biggest clubs in the country, they are in the next bracket.

I dont judge a club simply on the amount of away fans they take.
 
The problem with this approach, is that, should he fail to win promotion, why not give him the next, and the next season?

That isn't a problem if a bit of common sense is applied. Give him a full season, if he hasn't achieved his objective, which is clearly to win promotion, and we haven't looked as though we are making progress towards achieving that aim (finishing outside the top six, for instance) then say goodbye. If we go up then great, if we don't but we go close it's probably sensible to give him another shot at it.

It seems quite simple to me. Unless we look like we're going down getting rid of a manager at this stage, or indeed at the stage at which Eriksson was sacked, is bloody madness. A manager is given a budget and an aim for a football season. Until the achievement of those aims becomes impossible, or at least looks extremely unlikely, we should let them get on with it. No such judgement can be made after six matches of a season.
 
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If you wished to be balanced, what about some of the players he's helped? Andy King for starters. Ben Marshall has recently commented how happy he is under Pearson. Hobbs another example (only for him to go off the rails under Sven and Sousa).



We are six games into a season.

It doesn't really matter to be honest. you've quoted two people that are happy out of a large squad, that's not exactly going to put my fears to rest. I'm just pointing out the fact that Pearson clashes and falls out with too many players for me. Ok, players can be difficult but a good manager will work with them and get the best out of them rather than cutting their nose off to spite their face. It's a poisonous way to run a team and it will undoubtedly hit team morale.
 
I'm intrigued - People keep posting knowledgeably about the wages of individual players and /or the squad as a whole.

Can anyone tell me where all this information is available, cos I'm buggered if I can find any such details

This is very true, I've said this in the past about Mills being on £25k a week. That said though I think it's pretty fair to assume that we had a large wage bill for a championship team under Sven. I believe that Pearson has brought this down to a more sustainable level
 
I think it's safe to say DJ had a pretty milder time at Blackpool and I don't recall Max Gradel falling out with Grayson at Leeds. He even said he wanted to stay at Leeds but their transfer policy under Bates is so farcical he ended up going to St. Etienne. Please enlighten me if I'm wrong on any of these
 
I dont judge a club simply on the amount of away fans they take.

They are bigger than us though. They have a bigger fanbase in the UK, bigger attendances and when they get to the Premier League they'll stay there longer than us (I doubt it will happen under Bates though).
 
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