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Yes, and you've basically just echoed what I said.

Fits, bleeding, sprains, burns etc are all "helpable" if you've done a course, and I often think about doing one, especially with having four children.

But as we've both said, serious RTA's will require Ambulance training at minimum. So even if Siouxsie had done her course, she'd have no doubt been useless.

I disagree. You may be able to stem the blood flow until help arrives.
More importantly what about CPR ? .Just clearing an airway could save a life. You may be no use at an RTA but its better to know it than not know it all.
 
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i did first aid when i was a girl guide although it was many moons ago but im sure i could still manage mouth-to-mouth ok :icon_lol:

the rescue work in diving involves giving a person nose to mouth whilst you are still in the water.
When you bring someone up from say 30metres, the stuff what comes out the nose is horrible, and you have to put your gob over it......:icon_conf
 
the rescue work in diving involves giving a person nose to mouth whilst you are still in the water.
When you bring someone up from say 30metres, the stuff what comes out the nose is horrible, and you have to put your gob over it......:icon_conf


have you had to do that in a serious situation??
 
TBH I have recently done a first aid course and in 99% of cases they tell you not to do anything as you will probably only end up getting sued. As a football team we have to have a first aider, but im not allowed to apply plasters, give paracetamol or even have a bucket and sponge anymore.
 
TBH I have recently done a first aid course and in 99% of cases they tell you not to do anything as you will probably only end up getting sued. As a football team we have to have a first aider, but im not allowed to apply plasters, give paracetamol or even have a bucket and sponge anymore.

what do you do then? stand 10 feet away and shout "get up you lazy ****er its only a skin wound"
 
what do you do then? stand 10 feet away and shout "get up you lazy ****er its only a skin wound"

On a Sunday morning generally yes. ;) :045::icon_lol:


But we were told that there is not a lot you can do, i.e. the recovery position is recommended for unconscious persons but obviously if you do that and they have other injuries that you make worse you will be sued. Just the sad way society has gone tbh.
 
What's wrong with that :102:

I'm sure beighton will back me up when I say that I've quite possibly missed my vocation in life :icon_wink

it would have done that Arsenal player last week a world of good.
 
I've done first aid courses in the past, but the problem is that you tend to forget what to do if you are not using the skills regularly (or I do anyway), so I feel I would not be much use. A First Aider who is seldom likely to be in the line of fire probably needs a refresher course every six months or so.
 
TBH I have recently done a first aid course and in 99% of cases they tell you not to do anything as you will probably only end up getting sued. As a football team we have to have a first aider, but im not allowed to apply plasters, give paracetamol or even have a bucket and sponge anymore.

I know this is what the British red Cross spout on their training courses. It exasperates me. Trained people can make a difference, it may not always be so but to say we won't even try is alien to me. I have been unfortunate enough to be a T1 battlefield casualty. Most people in theatre, but especially combat personnel are given comprehensive but basic life saving first aid. Each crew, troop or section has at least one more highly trained combact life saver. But even so they are not Doctors and not even junior nurses. Ballistic wounds are awful, the trauma and damage they cause are way beyond what you would expect when you look at the size of a 7.62 bullet. What your colleagues can do is stem bleeding, get fluids into you, probably shoot some morphine into you and get you out of further harms way hopefully for a speedy evacuation from the battlefield to a Field Hospital within that Golden 1st hour. I owe my life to a spotty 19 year old Royal Marine called Ian who was as terrfied as I was and fumbled with everything, dropped stuff, and made me scream with pain. I'm glad he didnt sue me for bleeding all over him.
 
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TBH I have recently done a first aid course and in 99% of cases they tell you not to do anything as you will probably only end up getting sued.

Can anybody find a single instance where this has ever happened?
I don't believe it has ever happened nor will it.
 
Can anybody find a single instance where this has ever happened?
I don't believe it has ever happened nor will it.

Unfortunately the fear of getting sued is stronger in many cases.
 
I disagree. You may be able to stem the blood flow until help arrives.
More importantly what about CPR ? .Just clearing an airway could save a life. You may be no use at an RTA but its better to know it than not know it all.
I can't argue a case against that, as you are 100% correct. I do agree with the other posters who say it shoud be on the curriculum.
 
Unfortunately the fear of getting sued is stronger in many cases.

My aunt is a doctor in the USA (specialising in paediatrics) and her medical insurance advises her not to get involved in first aid for fear of being sued. She's always said she'd have a go though if she thought she could help.
 
TBH I have recently done a first aid course and in 99% of cases they tell you not to do anything as you will probably only end up getting sued.

Can anybody find a single instance where this has ever happened?
I don't believe it has ever happened nor will it.
It has, but I can't remember what the cases are.

Also, if you were to assist in an accident and the victim died, you could face criminal charges for manslaughter. That has also been known.
 
So learn the basics and make judgement calls. :102:
When a two lads clashed heads during a football match and both had large gashes in their crusts i dressed both wounds and waited for the experts.
When i encountered the old pissed up tramp lying on the floor in the middle of new walk who was struggling for air and had vomit all over his face I stepped over him and carried on walking.
 
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