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An article I wrote for an American magazine the other month

Mean Spirits
The political state of play of vaping in the United Kingdom

Eighty thousand people will die this year in the United Kingdom; each and every one of those eighty thousand will succumb to an avoidable smoking-related illness. The loss of life on this scale would prompt countries into a global state of action were it to happen in some far-flung corner of the world. It is of no surprise that the rise of e-cigarettes within the UK is causing debate, and politicians love to get involved in an argument. Vapers would believe the case for accepting their free lifestyle choice ought to be clear-cut but the waters are being muddied as businesses, organisations and a particular quango (quasi-autonomous non-governmental organisation) get involved.

At the forefront of policy making in the UK lies the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MRHA) quango, an unelected collection of “experts” appointed by the governing political party. The MHRA is responsible for regulating all medicines and medical devices in the UK by ensuring they work and are acceptably safe. At the beginning of July 2013 the MRHA announced that electronic cigarettes were to be licensed as medicines.

“Hang on a minute”, I can hear you shouting at the page, “did you say medicines and healthcare products?”

British vapers have been scratching their heads over the very same question. How can my Aga-T2 be a healthcare product? How can my bottle of “Mad Murdock’s Radiator Pluid” be a medicine? The official position is that when the British government consulted on how they should regulate vaping products, whether as medicines or other products, the public health community all supported medicines regulation. The trouble with this, as can be seen next, is that this was done from a position of huge ignorance if, indeed, at all.

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Mr. Jeremy Mean,
Group Manager of Vigilance and
Risk Management for the MRHA

“It’s really important that we have effective products available for people who smoke so they can cut down, quit or just cut out particular cigarettes, to achieve that we need to get regulation just right” says Mr. Jeremy Mean, Group Manager of Vigilance and Risk Management for the MRHA, who then goes on to add that current controls in the UK are restricted to labelling, electrical safety, plugs and batteries. What he has failed to mention is the list of approvals we all know that have been met by ingredients such as propylene glycol and related uses, not least of which includes inhalers and medicines!

“They’re (the regulations) not focussed on what’s in the products and whether they deliver nicotine effectively. That’s a really big hole for how we deal with these products,” Mean states as fact. So, what UK vapers are looking at now is not just a man, responsible for directly advising on government policy, who is either ignoring or ignorant of swathes of evidence supporting the use of PG/VG PVDs (personal vaping devices) but is also in favour of draconian over-legislation.

Jeremy continues by saying that: “the important thing, we think, is that they need to be effective in reducing the harms of smoking” as if this is the sole criteria for judging PVDs and eLiquid. The man seems to have a fascination building with the word ‘effective’ as well. Not only is this proposed medical legislative approach akin to using a sledgehammer to crack a nut – it’s being used to crack a nut which isn’t there because it has already been eaten having been classed as safe to do so by food and drug laws. Daniel Hannan is a writer and journalist, and has been Conservative MEP for South East England since 1999. Daniel has written in relation to this matter: “How is state’s cold fist to be uncurled from the economy? What has to happen for personal liberty, free enterprise and innovation to flourish? Here’s an idea: how about nothing at all?”

“What evidence there is…” continues Jeremy Mean, and in that expression all but confirms the absence of hard evidence supporting the Mean position “…shows that the products currently out there are of poor quality, are variable and are far from as effective as we would want them to be.”

Poor quality? Variable? Effective? As members of the wider vaping community I would like you to ruminate upon the three points supporting his stance that legislation is not just necessary but now qualified and should be medical.

Following Mr. Mean’s pronouncements, the UK faces legislation in 2016 whereby all nicotine delivery systems will have to seek official certificated approval (not forgetting the incurred administration and cost this will entail). No wonder some are questioning where undue influence may have come from.

Daniel Hannan answers the only relevant question which needed to be posed: Are e-cigarettes bad for you? He writes: “Yes, in the same way that half a bottle of Mersault is bad for you. But, if you were previously smoking actual cigarettes, they are unambiguously good news.” He goes on to explain in the free-market terms beloved by traditional Conservatives: “Here, in short, is the market working as it should. Someone has come up with a product for which there is demand, and is offering a service where none existed before. That’s the process that lifted humanity from the diseased and precarious autarky of the Stone Age to the extraordinary wealth of our own era. But it fills our rulers with horror.”

His anti-legislative position is supported by fellow Tory, North West Conservative MEP, Jacqueline Foster, who is quoted as saying: "I believe this would result in the solution being too weak for people trying to give up smoking, or would require manufacturers to apply for a costly licence to produce medicinal products.”

Ms. Foster adds two more salient points: “For many people, traditional nicotine replacement therapies offered by the National Health Service and the pharmaceutical industry have had very limited success in helping smokers quit permanently” and that she is: “really worried that thousands of e-cig users in the North West are likely to return smoking if the proposal to limit nicotine concentrations to 4mg/ml goes ahead.“

Which leaves the consumers of vaping products, what has been there reaction?

On the popular Internet forum Planet Of The Vapes (planetofthevapes.co.uk) the outrage was predictable; anger at Jeremy Mean, distrust of the MRHA and shock at the statements from and voting by politicians. At the same time a real sense of cohesion was forming between fellow vapers, a sense that a coherent and consistent case can still be put forward to win the day and that this was a battle lost, not a war.

The Electronic Cigarette Consumers Association (ECCA UK) responded to condemn Jeremy Mean’s announcement too, pointing out that none of the 1.3 million people in the UK, who have successfully switched to electronic cigarettes, were consulted during the MRHA’s process. Think back to Mean’s comments about “poor quality”, ECCA believe that you would struggle to find many (if any) in that 1.3 million who would agree with Mean’s assertion.

ECCA highlighted the most glaring problem in all of this: “ECCA UK do believe that quality control of electronic cigarettes is important however we can not support measures that place unnecessary regulatory obstacles in the way of electronic cigarettes whilst allowing continued, unregulated access to the most dangerous nicotine-containing product - tobacco.”

The fight continues.
 
Research:

Acute effects of using an electronic nicotine-delivery device (e-cigarette) on myocardial function: comparison with the effects of regular cigarettes
Farsalinos, K., et al.
Presented at ESC Congress, 2012. Unpublished to date.

“Haemodynamics: significant elevation in blood pressure and heart rate (+8% in systolic, +6% in diastolic, +10% in heart rate) after smoking

Slight elevation of diastolic blood pressure alone (+4%) after electronic cigarette use



Cardiac function: diastolic function acutely impaired in smokers (4 parameters adversely affected), in agreement with previous studies

No difference in diastolic function observed after electronic cigarette use



Potential mechanisms

Less nicotine absorbed (Bullen et al, Tob Control 2010)

Absence of combustion and different chemical composition, leading to less toxic chemicals created and absorbed.”

Effect of an electronic nicotine delivery device (e cigarette) on desire to smoke and withdrawal, user preferences and nicotine delivery: randomised cross-over trial
Bullen, C., et al
Published in Tobacco Control, 2010

“The 16 mg Ruyan V8 ENDD alleviated desire to smoke after overnight abstinence, was well tolerated and had a pharmacokinetic profile more like the Nicorette inhalator than a tobacco cigarette. Evaluation of the ENDD for longer-term safety, potential for long-term use and efficacy as a cessation aid is needed. Trial registration No.12607000587404, Australia and New Zealand Clinical Trials Register.”

A Clinical Laboratory Model for Evaluating the Acute Effects of Electronic “Cigarettes”: Nicotine Delivery Profile and Cardiovascular and Subjective Effects
Vansickel, A.R., et al
Published in Cancer Epidemiology, Biomarkers & Prevention, 2010

“This study illustrates how clinical laboratory methods can be used to understand the acute effects of these and other PREPs for tobacco users. The results and methods reported here will likely be relevant to the evaluation and empirically based regulation of electronic cigarettes and similar products.”

Acute effect of e-cigarette on pulmonary function in healthy subjects and smokers
Gennimata, S.A., et al
Abstract presented at ERS Congress, Vienna, 2012

The results of this study, which found that electronic cigarettes have “a measurable effect that lasts ten minutes”, were reported – by one of the lead authors, Professor Christina Graziou – as “can cause immediate harm”.



This ‘research’ was widely criticised:



Professor M Siegel: “Experts” from University of Athens Tell the Public They Are Not Sure if Smoking is Any More Hazardous than Vaping. Despite Lack of Demonstration of Clinically Significant Effects on Airways and Improvements in Respiratory Symptoms in Many Vapers

http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/experts-from-university-of-athens-tell.html



Professor M Siegel: European Respiratory Society Publicly Claims that Electronic Cigarettes Cause Cancer and Lies About Tobacco Industry Involvement in Creation of These Products

http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/european-respiratory-society-publicly.html



Dr Carl Phillips: Christina Gratziou is a liar

http://antithrlies.com/2012/09/06/christina-gratziou-is-a-liar/



American Council on Science and Health: E-Cigarette study is just amateur propaganda

http://www.acsh.org/e-cigarette-study-is-just-amateur-propaganda/

Observation de l’acceptation de la cigarette électronique, Résultats Ã* trois mois
Granger, J. & Cornette, B.
2012. Unpublished to date.

“- 64% of the persons having used the electronic cigarette noticed positive effects on their health. 15% indicated minor side effects (mouth, lips or throat irritated).

- Over the 3 months, the heart rhythm of the participants decreased.

- The level of exhaled carbon monoxide (CO) decreased in every case and reduced to nil/zero for vapers having stopped smoking.

- Weight gain was moderated. In cases of complete smoking cessation with continuation of vaping, weight gain was less than is usually noticed following smoking cessation.

- The forced vital capacity (FVC) improved with the use of the electronic cigarette, especially when there was significant reduction or total cessation of smoking.

- The maximum expiratory pressure per second (MEPS) was stable or improved slightly with the use of the electronic cigarette.”



(The above was taken from our own translation of the study, which French colleagues have confirmed is accurate. The full translation is available from the ECITA blog.)

I can provide many more examples.
 
A public lecture on e-cigarettes delivered by Dr. Lynne Dawkins on 3rd July 2013. This lecture gives an introduction to e-cigarettes, what they are and how they work. It then brings the audience up to date with the current research: who uses them, how and why, nicotine content and delivery, safety issues, harm reduction and regulation.

http://www.uel.ac.uk/ecigarettelecture

Lynne Dawkins profile http://www.uel.ac.uk/psychology/staff...

[video=youtube_share;f6KBGH2F63A]http://youtu.be/f6KBGH2F63A[/video]
 
This video was presented in Brussels at a press conference on the 3rd of September 2013.

[video=youtube_share;xoSf5SKp71c]http://youtu.be/xoSf5SKp71c[/video]
 
http://www.qmul.ac.uk/media/news/items/smd/104506.html

Tuesday 23 July 2013

Plans to regulate electronic cigarettes as medical devices could jeopardise enormous potential benefits to public health, warns a leading smoking cessation specialist from Queen Mary, University of London.

In a comment piece published today in The Lancet Respiratory Medicine, Professor Peter Hajek, director of the Tobacco Dependence Research Unit at Barts and The London School of Medicine and Dentistry, Queen Mary, calls for medicines regulators to “hold their fire”.

In June the UK’s Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) announced that e-cigarettes are to be classed as "medicines" under new proposals to tighten up the regulation of nicotine-containing products.

Professor Hajek says: “Compared with hypothetical risks that seem unlikely in view of current knowledge about e-cigarettes, we know that the product e-cigarettes are replacing is seriously dangerous. If any new risks emerge, then appropriately tighter regulation can be implemented.”
E-cigarettes are designed to deliver nicotine without the toxins which are present in tobacco smoke.

Placing e-cigarettes under the same regulation as medical devices now is likely to lead to increased costs and less product innovation, which Professor Hajek argues could ultimately lead to a winning situation for the tobacco industry.

He adds: “Since e-cigarettes are a recreational consumer product that are competing with much more dangerous cigarettes, which are not regulated as medicines, mandatory medicinal regulation is not required for public safety and can harm public health by restricting the ability of e-cigarettes to compete with cigarettes in the marketplace. Excessive regulation of e-cigarettes would protect the market monopoly of cigarettes and have the potential consequences of disease in and death of millions of smokers who were prevented from moving on to the next generation of e-cigarettes.

“For the first time in the history of the tobacco control movement, a realistic possibility is emerging that the tobacco problem might get resolved, and that this could happen with minimal or no government involvement or expenditure. Regulators of medicines should hold their fire.”
 
The largest piece of research carried out to date finds in favour of personal vaping device useage. Drexel is one of the major medical universities in the USA and Professor Igor Burstyn one of the leading experts in his field:

New study confirms that chemicals in electronic cigarettes pose minimal health risk

PHILADELPHIA, Aug. 8, 2013/PRNewwire-USNewswire -- E-cigarette users can breathe a little easier today. A study just released by Professor Igor Burstyn, Drexel University School of Public Health, confirms that chemicals in electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes) pose no health concern for users or bystanders. This is the first definitive study of e-cigarette chemistry and finds that there are no health concerns based on generally accepted exposure limits.


E-cigarettes are devices that heat a nicotine solution to create an aerosol (called “vapor”) that the user inhales, similar to smoking a cigarette. They are used as a low-risk substitute for smoking by millions of former smokers, and their increasing popularity seems to account for the current downward trend in smoking in the U.S. and some other countries. While experts agree that the risks posed by e-cigarettes are significantly less than those posed by smoking, there had been some debate about how much lower the risk was.


By reviewing over 9,000 observations about the chemistry of the vapor and the liquid in e-cigarettes, Dr. Burstyn was able to determine that the levels of contaminants e-cigarette users are exposed to are insignificant, far below levels that would pose any health risk. Additionally, there is no health risk to bystanders. Proposals to ban e-cigarettes in places where smoking is banned have been based on concern there is a potential risk to bystanders, but the study shows there is no concern.


This was the first study funded by the by The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives (CASAA) Research Fund. CASAA, the leading consumer advocacy group promoting the availability and use of low-risk alternatives to smoking, is an all-volunteer, donation-funded organization. CASAA President Elaine Keller said of the study, “Over the years, there have been a lot of small studies of e-cigarette liquid and vapor, but those studies were either ignored or misinterpreted. Those that showed even the slightest contamination were used for propaganda by those who object to e-cigarettes because they look like smoking. We realized that an expert review was needed to give an unbiased explanation of the available scientific evidence for our membership and policy makers. We reached out to our membership and they enthusiastically donated to make it possible.”


CASAA Scientific Director, Carl V. Phillips, summarized the importance of the study, saying “It has always been clear that e-cigarettes were much lower risk than smoking, but there was uncertainty about whether continuing to inhale a mix of chemicals posed a measurable risk. Even those of us who have long encouraged smokers to switch are a bit surprised that even the worst-case-scenario risks are so low. This study assures us that e-cigarettes are as low risk as other smoke-free tobacco and nicotine products, like smokeless tobacco and NRT. All of these products are about 99% less harmful than smoking, and so smokers who switch to them gain basically the same health benefits as if they quit tobacco and nicotine entirely.”


Dr. Phillips added that “there has been a call for ‘regulatory science’ by the FDA. This is exactly the type of science that is needed to make good regulation and informed individual decisions: it summarizes all of the available knowledge and puts the numbers in a useful perspective.”


The study did caution that e-cigarette users are inhaling substantial quantities of the main chemicals in e-cigarette liquid (propylene glycol and glycerin). While these chemicals are not considered dangerous and the levels are far below occupational exposure limits, Dr. Burstyn did suggest ongoing monitoring to confirm that there is no risk. The chemical contaminants are of even less concern. While there have been many claims that formaldehyde, acrolein, nitrosamines, metals, and ethylene glycol found in e-cigarette vapor poses a health hazard, the study concluded that all of these have been found only at trivial levels that pose no health concern.


The study did not address the effects of nicotine because e-cigarette users are consuming it intentionally. Nicotine, when it does not involve smoking, is very low risk and has not been clearly shown to cause any disease. However, like caffeine and other common indulgences, it may cause some tiny risk of heart attack and stroke, and so e-cigarettes, along with other tobacco and nicotine products, are probably not risk-free. If there is any risk from nicotine, however, it is so low that it is similar to everyday hazards like drinking coffee or eating dessert, and is far less than the risk from smoking.


The study is available at http://publichealth.drexel.edu/SiteData/docs/ms08/f90349264250e603/ms08.pdf

For summary and discussion go to
http://antithrlies.com/2013/08/08/b...-shows-no-risk-from-e-cigarette-contaminants/

Contact: Prof. Igor Burstyn [email protected]
 
Do you want more evidence of thorough research being carried out Boc, I'm not sure if I'm getting my point across? ;)

Meanwhile, Tory health minister Anna Soubry admits she took up smoking because of “glamorous” packaging.

Facts vs. anecdotes.
 
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Anna Soubry must go

You may have heard the news about Anna Soubry brazenly ignoring parliament and voting for the Tobacco Products Directive without submitting it to parliamentary scrutiny.

Or perhaps you have not. After all, it was not reported by any British media—although every paper heavily reported silly rumours about David Cameron's adviser, Lynton Crosby, as if Cameron worked for Crosby rather than the other way round.

The media have been almost as negligent in failing to tell the public that there is any such thing as a Tobacco Products Directive. Despite a pisspoor BBC radio show and the odd passing mention from political bloggers like Dan Hannan, the public remains largely unaware that menthol cigarettes are to be banned and that e-cigarette industry as we know it is to be destroyed.

The people have had no say in any of this. Nor, as it transpires, has parliament. As Dick Puddlecote, Devil's Kitchen and Taking Liberties reported last week, Anna Soubry (public health minister) and Andrew Black (Department of Health tobacco programme manager) have been severely reprimanded by parliament's scrutiny committee for capitulating to the European Commission with "unwarranted haste". Soubry and her DoH chums were in such a rush to get the Tobacco Products Directive (TPD) passed that they didn't bother with trifling considerations like consulting elected representatives. For six months she failed to respond to the scrutiny committee. She did as she pleased in Brussels, taking advice from the usual state-funded lobbyists and DoH officials.

By her own admission, the main reason Soubry overrode scrutiny was that she was worried that the TPD would stop Britain introducing plain packaging, or, as Devil's Kitchen puts it, she was concerned that the TPD "did not allow enough scope for the UK government to be even more fascist". She was also eager to rush the TPD through before the EU presidency passed from Ireland to Lithuania. This lowly minister, who has been in the job for less than a year and has been an MP for just three years, ignored parliamentary process and committed the UK to far-reaching legislation based on her own personal opinion.

You can watch Soubry make the nauseating and disingenuous argument that she bypassed parliament for the sake of parliamentary sovereignty here. Incredibly, you will see that she wasn't even aware that e-cigarettes were in the legislation. These are our lawmakers, or—in this instance—our lawmaker.

The problem with Anna Soubry is not that she is necessarily a bad person. In another role, she may have some merits (and I have defended her once before). She is, however, a politician and is the latest in an unbroken line of inexperienced MPs parachuted into the superfluous role of Minister for Public Health, a junior position created in the late 1990s. The list of previous occupants is a Who's Who? of where-are-they-now? non-entities such as Dawn Primarolo and Caroline Flint. Like those before her, Soubry wants to make a name for herself and 'public health' offers plenty of headline-grabbing opportunities to do so.

The Nero complex that afflicts ministers in this Mickey Mouse department is not the worst of it. The real problem is the tendency of politicians to go native when they spend any period of time with the bureaucrat-activists of the Department of Health—a department which has a long track record of behaving as a law until itself. They are surrounded and bombarded by single-issue fanatics, pocket dictators and junk scientists who have no regard for truth or democracy. It chews up feeble-minded politicians and spits them out.

In the case of Anna Soubry, we have a junior minister who is not only incompetent (I repeat that she was unaware that e-cigarettes were in the TPD) but is so self-righteous—so spellbound by her convictions and ambitions—that she feels she can disregard the elected parliament of her country. Even while delivering her forced and insincere apology to the scrutiny committee, she sticks to the Tony Blair line of martyrdom—that she did what she believed to be right. Like every starry-eyed true believer, she answers to a higher power. The normal rules of engagement do not apply to her.

There are still serious questions for her department to answer regarding the false briefing to The Guardian in March as well as the leaking of information to anti-smoking lobbyists in Australia last September. Even if Soubry was not directly involved in either of these events, her handling of the TPD shows that the Department of Health has turned another apple rotten. She should resign.
 
What aspect of e-cigarettes do you feel hasn't been established then Boc?


I know that they will only be sold by pharmacies at some stage in the future. I don't understand why this has not happened from the start.
 
I know that they will only be sold by pharmacies at some stage in the future. I don't understand why this has not happened from the start.

Firstly, they won't, it's not a given.

Secondly, the answer why not is contained within the posts I have put up and others I can give you :)
 
For what it's worth, as an ex-smoker (14 years smober) I wish e-Lites etc had been around when I was smoking. Far more preferable to 'real' cigarettes from a current non-smoking point of view.
 
I think that citizens of this great country should only eat., drink and use things that the government tell us we can.
 
**** off Mawsley, the government who do everything for our wellbeing first said they are worse than real cigs in the daily mail so it is definitely one million percent true.

Anyone that thinks otherwise is just one of the black sheep that doesn't say how high when asked to jump.

Fooking retards having a mind of their own.
 
I've smoked since i was 11.Continuously since i was 15.Tried to give up many times in that period (33 years if you're interested) I've used gum,patches,inhalators,acupuncture,hypnosis.The ****ing works.End result? Longest I went without a fag was 3 weeks.

I bought an e-cig 4 months ago & haven't had a fag since.I fee better than i have in years,my breathing has improved,cough has vanished,I can taste food better & have even taken up running again after over 20 years.
As far as I'm concerned these things are a ****ing miracle,the one they've been waiting for.

There are 4 active chemicals in the fluids i use compared to over 4000 in the average fag.From what I can gather the opposition to them is based on bureaucratic hubris more than anything else.The EU seems to be treating them as a way to 'get around' anti-smoking legislation & therefore as an affront to their authority & couldn't actually give a shit about the public health aspect at all.
Thay.along with our own elected middle managers are all in the pockets of big business as thay have been for decades & its in Big Pharma's interests to have e-cigs regulated as medicines.
The NRT products thay already sell are well known to be largely ineffective & that is THE best model for a treatment after all isn't it? Loads of repeat purchases & never cured? Brilliant for the bottom line!
For any of the e-cig companies to keep their ranges the same as they currently are if they were reclassified as medicines would cost them an estimated 1.8 BILLION pounds in licences.None of them could possibly do that.Who could? Big Pharma companies thats who...so they're effectively lobbying on behalf of their own potential profit & NOT on public health concerns.
Oh...& the other people who could afford the costs of licences & R & D? Tobacco companies! Yep,the ****ers who caused the problem in the first place will be the ones to benefit.Apparently they're already looking into it for when the legislation goes through.
The whole thing stinks from top to bottom of corruption in govt & business.All cosily hand-in-hand as ****ing usual.Meanwhile people die.

As an aside,if & when this goes through the people affected (like me) will have 2 choices...back to the fags or enter a black market for ecigs.These will be mostly from China where its unregulated & they use cheaper,untested non-pharmaceutical grade nicotine.THEN you'll get deaths from using them & the PR machine will no doubt turn around & say "see,told you so" & the mug public will believe them.

Its about time our snivelling shit politicians did their job for once & told the EU to go **** itself on an issue that actually matters in terms of lives.But since they're all in the pockets of lobbyists that won't happen.
 
I bought an e-cig 4 months ago & haven't had a fag since.I fee better than i have in years,my breathing has improved,cough has vanished,I can taste food better & have even taken up running again after over 20 years.
As far as I'm concerned these things are a ****ing miracle,the one they've been waiting for.

:038: Well done you.

Its about time our snivelling shit politicians did their job for once & told the EU to go **** itself......

Plenty more examples of the need to do that.
 
I know that they will only be sold by pharmacies at some stage in the future. I don't understand why this has not happened from the start.

Firstly, they won't, it's not a given.


For something that you feel isn't going to happen, you seem to have amassed a huge amount of 'evidence' opposing it.
 
I've smoked since i was 11.Continuously since i was 15.Tried to give up many times in that period (33 years if you're interested) I've used gum,patches,inhalators,acupuncture,hypnosis.The ****ing works.End result? Longest I went without a fag was 3 weeks.

I bought an e-cig 4 months ago & haven't had a fag since.I fee better than i have in years,my breathing has improved,cough has vanished,I can taste food better & have even taken up running again after over 20 years.
As far as I'm concerned these things are a ****ing miracle,the one they've been waiting for.

There are 4 active chemicals in the fluids i use compared to over 4000 in the average fag.From what I can gather the opposition to them is based on bureaucratic hubris more than anything else.The EU seems to be treating them as a way to 'get around' anti-smoking legislation & therefore as an affront to their authority & couldn't actually give a shit about the public health aspect at all.
Thay.along with our own elected middle managers are all in the pockets of big business as thay have been for decades & its in Big Pharma's interests to have e-cigs regulated as medicines.
The NRT products thay already sell are well known to be largely ineffective & that is THE best model for a treatment after all isn't it? Loads of repeat purchases & never cured? Brilliant for the bottom line!
For any of the e-cig companies to keep their ranges the same as they currently are if they were reclassified as medicines would cost them an estimated 1.8 BILLION pounds in licences.None of them could possibly do that.Who could? Big Pharma companies thats who...so they're effectively lobbying on behalf of their own potential profit & NOT on public health concerns.
Oh...& the other people who could afford the costs of licences & R & D? Tobacco companies! Yep,the ****ers who caused the problem in the first place will be the ones to benefit.Apparently they're already looking into it for when the legislation goes through.
The whole thing stinks from top to bottom of corruption in govt & business.All cosily hand-in-hand as ****ing usual.Meanwhile people die.

As an aside,if & when this goes through the people affected (like me) will have 2 choices...back to the fags or enter a black market for ecigs.These will be mostly from China where its unregulated & they use cheaper,untested non-pharmaceutical grade nicotine.THEN you'll get deaths from using them & the PR machine will no doubt turn around & say "see,told you so" & the mug public will believe them.

Its about time our snivelling shit politicians did their job for once & told the EU to go **** itself on an issue that actually matters in terms of lives.But since they're all in the pockets of lobbyists that won't happen.

Is there not a slight hypocrisy in saying that the government are hand in hand with big business and not giving a shit about people dying and yet stating that when these things are regulated it's 'back to the fags'

Maybe people should take responsibility for their own health and path towards death rather than blaming anyone or anything else?
 
They are generally banned from UK offshore oil rigs.
 
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