General Election - 4 July 2024

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The real lack of education amongst the zombie masses in this country is becoming more and more obvious.


Some hideous voting with a real sense of no intelligence and no self respect.

Single issue voting and Farage loving. Welcome to thick island.
It’s largely the blue rinse brigade who lube up (they don’t get moist) for the fictional good old days who vote for these ****s. Farage carefully choose the audience he would appeal to.

The younger generation aren’t quite as gullible as some might like to think.
 
Not many Liverpool fans around Liverpool then 🙄 or they did their postal votes decades ago
 
Sorry, working on 4hrs sleep and got confused with East and South and equated both Labour losses to Tory gain.

Either way, both results are bad for the City of Leicester which should be a Labour stronghold.

The independent is a load of nonsense and a waste of a MP.

Tories getting in anywhere in Leicester is disgusting though.
Not a waste for him though. 90K+ a year for 5 years whilst not being expected to do anything of note. Won the lottery essentially. can spend the next 5 years sitting in the subsidised eatery arguing with Farage while they both check their bank balances.
 
On the question, yes I do.

Further below is how it played out. He's supporting collective punishment but sticking "within international law" on the end which he knows is just contradictory bollocks. As with many things where supporters claim he/labour didn't mean what he said, his shadow cabinet spend the following days quoting the same thing verbatim in media interviews before pretending it wasn't what he meant. See also Ashworth and repeating the Bangladeshis being "sent back" which has probably helped push the independent candidate over the line. Lammy and being supportive of bombing refugee camps and so on...as with many things, you've got 2 Starmer positions on absolutely everything and your level of support for the party decides which version you believe.

Nick asked him if "cutting off power, cutting off water" was appropriate as a response to the atrocity.

Sir Keir replied: "I think that Israel does have that right... It is an ongoing situation. Obviously, everything should be done within international law."
So much for standing for the genocide of Palestinians:

 
Fair play to the new government - it's only optics at the moment, but it does feel like they've hit the ground running with a serious and credible plan to turn the country around. Hopefully they can see it through to delivery.
 
So much for standing for the genocide of Palestinians:



As already said in the post you've quoted....

as with many things, you've got 2 Starmer positions on absolutely everything and your level of support for the party decides which version you believe.

Hopefully this is actually his permanent position on the subject though. Calling for temporary ceasefire for aid etc has been the common (not specific to starmer) trying to please both sides stance. Hopefully his new legal bod in the cabinet will hold his previous stance. In terms of wider cabinet etc. Timpson chap seems a good choice. Sceptical about the NHS bloke and think Jacqui Smith should have been permanently banned from public office.
 
That should do the trick !
It will do nothing, Netanyahu doesn't give a toss what anyone thinks.

It does prove that saying Starmer stood for the genocide of Palestinians is completely bollocks though and it's the sort of extremist nonsense that helps create further divides in society and helps achieve nothing.

Extremists from both sides of the political landscape should largely be ignored.
 
As already said in the post you've quoted....

as with many things, you've got 2 Starmer positions on absolutely everything and your level of support for the party decides which version you believe.

Hopefully this is actually his permanent position on the subject though. Calling for temporary ceasefire for aid etc has been the common (not specific to starmer) trying to please both sides stance. Hopefully his new legal bod in the cabinet will hold his previous stance. In terms of wider cabinet etc. Timpson chap seems a good choice. Sceptical about the NHS bloke and think Jacqui Smith should have been permanently banned from public office.
Judge him and his government's actions in office, rather than on a couple of word soundbites from a pre-election interview where the tory-boy interviewer was leading him down some 'gotcha' line of questioning.

He used to be a human rights lawyer for God's sake, he wouldn't stand for the genocide of any race/nation and anyone who believed such nonesense is equally as gullible as the thickos that voted for Reform imo.

 
Judge him and his government's actions in office, rather than on a couple of word soundbites from a pre-election interview where the tory-boy interviewer was leading him down some 'gotcha' line of questioning.

He used to be a human rights lawyer for God's sake, he wouldn't stand for the genocide of any race/nation and anyone who believed such nonesense is equally as gullible as the thickos that voted for Reform imo.



My opinion of Starmer pre dates the fallout of his pro Israel nonsense. The initial discussion was around why people couldn't hold their nose and vote for him. That issue being one of the main ones. I agree with that take but my mind was made up years ago. There's plenty outside of just asking Israel to stop that could be encouraged such as sanctions etc. He could have been more vocal in condemning them if he's so against it as he's often tweeting saying Putin must stop.....I'm not sure Putin is a great listener either.
 
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