If we go down.

[Leesoh]

I understand this webbo but I really do think it's do or die time. If we don't do anything and get relegated then sure, we'll be financially secure and have a division one team but this is hardly cause for celebration and could potentially lead to terrible gates and the club folding anyway.

If we do something (i.e. take a chance, get into debt and survive in the championship) then at least we can say we tried. What I see now is a complete laying down of arms and almost a white flag situation. We are Leicester City Football Club - surely it is in our nature to never surrender, or should we throw caution to the wind and look forward to the FA Vase.

I could handle poor results if we had a team that looked like it was trying. Barring the odd exception, we still have players who do not consider wearing the shirt to be anything more than a means to an end.

 

[Graz]

I don't understand how anyone can say us getting relegated isn't the end of the world. Reaching our lowest position ever wouldn't bother you? It quite literally COULD be the end of the world for LCFC as well, as there's probably a good chance of going into admin. again!

 

[Joe_Fox]

My sentiments exactly - I really do wonder what some of these people have been putting in their tea.

 

[Ox Fox]

I don't understand how anyone can say us getting relegated isn't the end of the world. Reaching our lowest position ever wouldn't bother you? It quite literally COULD be the end of the world for LCFC as well, as there's probably a good chance of going into admin. again!

As I have said before, we WILL NOT go into adminstration, the Foxes Trust have stated that the club have allowed for it in the budget (as they are now super prudent). The difference in income between Championship and Divvy 1 is not anything like as great as that between the Prem and the Championship and it's that sudden gulf that screws clubs up.

Oh and Peter Taylor.

 

[Durham Fox]

As I have said before, we WILL NOT go into adminstration, the Foxes Trust have stated that the club have allowed for it in the budget (as they are now super prudent). The difference in income between Championship and Divvy 1 is not anything like as great as that between the Prem and the Championship and it's that sudden gulf that screws clubs up.

Oh and Peter Taylor.

But have they budgeted for season ticket sales to half and our gates to be sub 10k??

 

[PFKAKTF FOX]

But have they budgeted for season ticket sales to half and our gates to be sub 10k??

And the obvious fall out that relegation would bring in terms of reduced sponsorship, corporate sales etc. Also the fact that everything that CL has been building for the past 15 months would disintegrate, because dint believe for one minute, that the likes of Maybury, Stearman, McCarthy, Gerrbrand, Gudjonsson, Wesolowski, Hughes and Hume etc will hang around, they will be off and the fact of our relegation will mean that they wont be worth feck all, they will all be so unsettled that clubs will pick them off for pretty much what we paid for them and we will be so desperate to balance the books we will accept it, so much for the long term plan !

 

[Joe_Fox]

We shall be sponsored by FUCT no doubt.

 

[Redditch Fox]

But have they budgeted for season ticket sales to half and our gates to be sub 10k??

Yes - we understand that the club may have allowed for the contingency of relegation - but all such calculations could go out of the window if a large proportion of customers are disillusioned by the lack of imagination and passion for the club that seems to be the trademark of the current set-up.

 

[Chrysalis]

Tim Davies would have to go, his comments in the mercury about refusing to either back or sack levein publicly are disgusting. the fans pay his wages and he needs to learn that.

 

[DesertFox]

But have they budgeted for season ticket sales to half and our gates to be sub 10k??

Wouldn't be much of a "budget" if they didn't think about that sort of thing, Durham. :icon_wink

"You mean relegation might mean lower gates? We'd not thought of that". No shit, Sherlock! Come on now - the board know the precise figures better than any of us, guaranteed.

To me it seems like the club is actually being run pretty sensibly from a business point of view, as it has to be. Without doubt the most important thing for Leicester City is to NEVER get into financial shit ever again, as it really could spell the end.

The current problems lie purely in the results on the pitch. I can't see the benefit of turning on the board, and I can't see exactly what they have done so terribly wrong, other than appoint Levein... if that even turns out to be wrong (he's still our manager, we're still in the same league as last year). And, remember, at the time it looked like a great piece of business and everybody on here (with the exception of Chandler, of course) backed Levein's appointment.

 

[DesertFox]

Tim Davies would have to go, his comments in the mercury about refusing to either back or sack levein publicly are disgusting.

What? Why? Exactly how would we be better off if the manager had a well publicised threat of the sack hanging over him? Are we trying to improve things, or just implode?

The fans pay his wages and he needs to learn that.

I'm sure he's well aware. Not all fans want or need sensational headlines from the CEO - I'm one of the paying fans (not often paying at the gate these days, admittedly, but I'll be paying my "season ticket" for LCFC World again soon so I still invest) and therefore I demand my piece of the action too.... I'd rather see the people running the business side of LCFC acting in a business-like manner and not slinging mud like children. I'm paying his wages too, and he's got this one right for me.

 

[PFKAKTF FOX]

Desert, two good posts, however the one thing the board cannot realistically assess is the effect poor performance has on it's paying customers, there has already been an admission that we are behind on the budgetted attendence figures this season, so to be able to try and forecast the effect relegation would have on attendence figures next season IMO at this time is nigh on impossible.

I do agree with you that the club is now being run on a sound financial footing and that regardless of our circumstances or league position, we must never repeat the mistakes made under the Elsom / Taylor years.

As regards Chrysillis's post, I do understand his stance, I too agree with you though that Levein was an appointment that was welcomed by the majority of City fans and for that the board should never be criticised, however at a time of extreme pressure for the manager, I think he deserves his employers to come out and back him through a public statement, if the board believe that CL is still the right man for the job, which I would have no problem with, then they should show that they still believe in him and his long term blueprint, by making their support public, it should then put an end to speculation and allow Levein to get on with his job and allow the supporters to do their's which is back the team and manager, as long as their is nopublic backing by the board their is a chink of light for the Levein Out chants during games and after games and that is not in the best interests of the club.

 

[DesertFox]

Excellent reasoning as always PFKAKTF. Don't agree 100% but that's life, eh? :icon_wink

 

[PFKAKTF FOX]

Excellent reasoning as always PFKAKTF. Don't agree 100% but that's life, eh? :icon_wink

Exactly mate, and thats what this forum is all about, having a mass debate....eh oh sh1t shouldnt have said that MK and Highland will love that !

 

[DesertFox]

I said that at work once in all honesty/ignorance/naivety... much hilarity prevailed at my expense :icon_redf

 

[PFKAKTF FOX]

I said that at work once in all honesty/ignorance/naivety... much hilarity prevailed at my expense :icon_redf

What, you work with MK, Lazzer and Highland ?

 

[DesertFox]

No, thank feck! :icon_eek: :icon_razz

 

[Doggie_muz]

Wouldn't be much of a "budget" if they didn't think about that sort of thing, Durham. :icon_wink

"You mean relegation might mean lower gates? We'd not thought of that". No shit, Sherlock! Come on now - the board know the precise figures better than any of us, guaranteed.

To me it seems like the club is actually being run pretty sensibly from a business point of view, as it has to be. Without doubt the most important thing for Leicester City is to NEVER get into financial shit ever again, as it really could spell the end.

The current problems lie purely in the results on the pitch. I can't see the benefit of turning on the board, and I can't see exactly what they have done so terribly wrong, other than appoint Levein... if that even turns out to be wrong (he's still our manager, we're still in the same league as last year). And, remember, at the time it looked like a great piece of business and everybody on here (with the exception of Chandler, of course) backed Levein's appointment.

No doubt you are right - priority number one has to be the sound financial footing of the club - that's just the way it has to be these days. At least this will mean that relegation, whilst it may be the end of the world in an emontional sense, will not be the end of the club in a literal sense. In this regard, I have every faith in the board and Tim Davies because I strongly believe that their current and contingency budgets secure the future of the club.

No-one who is a genuine City fan can say that they accept the position that we are in in the league. Greater still, no football supporter in the world should accept some of our players' attitude and lack of desire to put every bit of effort that they have into every single game (particular reference to Momo here). To me everything good about the club has been stifled by the tactics that Levein employs. I genuinely like his policy of bringing in youth (McCarhty / Hume are great examples of players who will only get better) but the enthusiasm that comes with it is negated by the defensive, slow-tempo, keep ball tactics that we use. The effect that this has had on a once very passionate crowd is evident for all to see. Having said that, I still think there is no point in removing CL now - they are his players and we don't want to pay the money to get rid of him. If we start to see improvement by the end of the season (and I strongly believe that we will) then the mood changes and we'll have some momentum to take into next season. We've just got to do everything we can to support the club...

 

[step]

One thing I am sure about is that if we do go into admin again, There will be no support from the FA or FPA, No sympaphy from other clubs, infact most clubs and would make sure we where finished for good.

Admin would be the end for city.

 

[Real Sharapova]

One thing I am sure about is that if we do go into admin again, There will be no support from the FA or FPA, No sympaphy from other clubs, infact most clubs and would make sure we where finished for good.

Admin would be the end for city.

Agreed, and that is why I'm 100% behind Tim Davies ( and that's nothing to do with the fact he bought me a beer when the LB had a look behind the scenes ). He is a Leicester fan and an experienced businessman, and we do not want to go into admin again, that would be disasterous, forgetting about the 10 points deduction. As for the fact the fans pay his wages, to a certain extent they do, but the club also gets TV money, commercial income from the conference centre, etc. Also, the fact I have a season ticket doesn't really give me the right to tell the board how to run the business - what about all the other season ticket holders? We're not talking a workers co-operative here for Christ's sake.