In Holloway's Defense.....

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highland fox said:
I don't know but I think he brought in decent players,you asked for positive things he's done for the Club.Unlike his 'Lovers' I will point out the opposite side and not just slate him.
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I agree, he did bring in some decent players, and he deserves credit for that. But I personally think Dowie, Warnock, Davies etc etc could have also brought in players of the same ability and then made them play well.

I only use them Managers as reference as they are the names banded around this forum on a regular basis.
 
Boy Genius said:
you have not been going down for long then.
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He brings absolutely nothing to the team, he wins less headers than Hume and is about 5 foot taller than him, he has no pace, and makes no real effort to close down. I could tolerate that if he took his chances, but on the rare occasion he actually gets one, he misses it.

I'd rather play with 10 men.
 
Melton Fox said:
Why should Ian Holloway be our Manager for the 2008/2009 season?

Educate me, please!!!!
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The only reason I would leave him in charge is because part of the reason we are in this mess is because of the bad previous appointments that have been over very quickly. If Holloway had replaced a manager who had been in post for 2 or 3 years he would not be here. The poor performance of previous incumpbants has lead to him lasting this long. I honestly dont believe it really matters who is in charge at present it wont change the mood at the club. I believe Holloway should remain in charge because I cant see changing him would improve anything. If it would change the direction of the club I would clamour for his sacking but it wont.
 
Mouse said:
I'd rather play with 10 men.
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Would you play with me? I'd pay.

In Holloway's defense he's not used to having overpaid underachievers, he's more used to having triers that are hungry to prove their worth and earn their money.

I think that even if we stay up the Stoke game will be Holloway's last in charge of Leicester City. I also expect there to be a huge player turnaround in the summer. Again.
 
PONTUS KAAMARK said:
The only reason I would leave him in charge is because part of the reason we are in this mess is because of the bad previous appointments that have been over very quickly. If Holloway had replaced a manager who had been in post for 2 or 3 years he would not be here. The poor performance of previous incumpbants has lead to him lasting this long. I honestly dont believe it really matters who is in charge at present it wont change the mood at the club. I believe Holloway should remain in charge because I cant see changing him would improve anything. If it would change the direction of the club I would clamour for his sacking but it wont.
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Can you explain this to me?

I cannot get my head around it. What has the performance of previous managers got to do with what IH's does? If he was any good as a manager and even more important a motivator, we would not be where we are. Did Preston not change their manager at around the time IH was appointed and look where they are now and they have got through a couple of managers since Billy Davies left them.
If IH was any good, we would be up the table by now
 
Boy Genius said:
Can you explain this to me?

I cannot get my head around it. What has the performance of previous managers got to do with what IH's does? If he was any good as a manager and even more important a motivator, we would not be where we are. Did Preston not change their manager at around the time IH was appointed and look where they are now and they have got through a couple of managers since Billy Davies left them.
If IH was any good, we would be up the table by now
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I think he might mean that MM has been reluctant to go through the fire and hire process yet again.
 
Boy Genius said:
Can you explain this to me?
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Yeh of course I can.

Common sense tells you that you will get no where by changing manager all the time. Therefore eventually you reach a point where a manager gets a longer chance simply because sacking him just continues the sucession. Thats the point we are at now. Had Holloway followed Adams he would have been sacked by now. Had Milan not got a reputation for dismissing managers quickly Holloway would have been sacked by now. Had we not forked out compensation for a second time this season to appoint a manager Holloway would have been sacked by now.

Eventually you have to buck the trend and back a manager. I am not saying its the right thing to do but thats whats happened here. You cant 100% blame Holloway purely and simply because we the club was well fcuked when he turned up. He is here for the last rights. I dont actually think we can properly tell whether he is a good manager or not because teh club was already such a fcuk up.
 
"I have told the players they had better be ready for the hardest week of their lives.

"They have now got to make sure they face up to that challenge."


Lets hope they got a rollocking.
 
FantasyFox said:
Would you play with me? I'd pay.

In Holloway's defense he's not used to having overpaid underachievers, he's more used to having triers that are hungry to prove their worth and earn their money.

I think that even if we stay up the Stoke game will be Holloway's last in charge of Leicester City. I also expect there to be a huge player turnaround in the summer. Again.
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I am with this guy. Personally I reckon the lack of motivation comes down to their pay packet at the end of the week. Oakley and Howard would have stayed at Derby if it was for footballing reasons but clearly they must have been some other nugget in the move to us.
 
A few weeks ago, I asked whether anyone knew if IH was still popular amongst the players. The reason being that they all talked about him like he was their long lost Dad in the first few weeks after he arrived. Since then, nothing.

The team play like they are totally directionless. Like the manager and players are not in it together. The bizarre lack of interaction between IH and the players on matchdays is evidence of this. Likewise, the complete randomness of performances.

Stinks to me like he's long since lost the dressing room. If so, he's got no chance and should have been ditched weeks ago.

If that's not the case, what the hell has happened to a group of players who are perfectly capable of getting consistent results in this league?

Seems to me there are only two options:

1. He's trying to turn around a horrific mess and needs support and time, irrespective of the outcome of this season. There is no viable alternative.

2. He's a liability and needs to be got rid of asap.

My question is, does anyone have any insight at all into which of the two it is? Personally, I haven't got a scooby doo.

Those that support him tend to do so because they are in the first camp. Those that can't stand him believe the second option. One has to be right.
 
PONTUS KAAMARK said:
Yeh of course I can.

Common sense tells you that you will get no where by changing manager all the time.
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Does it? If you appoint bad managers all the time you will get bad results. How can a managers performance a couple of years back affect the performance of IH? If IH was good at his job and he could motivate the players we would be further up the table.

Did you see the body language of Hume after half time after he had switched him to the wing and deeper back? He did not look happy or interested. Now IH had made this change.

All I say is that you change a manager in an attempt to get a better one.
 
If you don't have the right manager in any job you have to change them. One of the changes wasn't Milans choice. And the other i think MA was just nuts.

One of the only reason ollie has still got a job is the "stabilty" arguement, when really he should have been sacked 10 games ago.
 
Melton Fox said:
Right, I'm obviously missing something here. I've been asking the question since January and I still haven't had a satisfactory answer. So I'll ask it in a different format.

Why should Ian Holloway be our Manager for the 2008/2009 season?

Now I'm not asking for the what he did at Plymouth answer, because I can give examples of other clubs he's managed to counterbalance that one, and he isn't the Plymouth Manager. Nor am I asking about not sacking another Manager, because stability is only worth having when you're in a league position worthy of being stable in.

So, based on what he's achieved so far in his tenure at Leicester City, why should Ian Holloway be the Manager for the 2008/2009 season?

Educate me, please!!!!
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Fcuk all. He is nothing more than an incompetant clown at best. Out of his depth and if by a miracle we survive this season we will struggle again next with the fcukwit in charge!!

Note to Ian Hume - When you take a penalty, don't fcuk about with it, just fcuking hit it you tw@t!!
 
Boy Genius said:
Does it? If you appoint bad managers all the time you will get bad results. How can a managers performance a couple of years back affect the performance of IH? If IH was good at his job and he could motivate the players we would be further up the table.

Did you see the body language of Hume after half time after he had switched him to the wing and deeper back? He did not look happy or interested. Now IH had made this change.

All I say is that you change a manager in an attempt to get a better one.
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I agree with all that.

The plain fact is that Holloway is doing an exceedingly poor job. Mandaric will be well aware of that but was presumably too exhausted to do anything about it because of all the difficulties he has had this season with the managerial situation. The situation then got left far too late and we have drifted aimlessly into this situation. The whole situation at LCFC is a tragedy, but like most tragedies was avoidable. Mandaric should have bitten the bullet a couple of months ago when there was sufficient time to save the situation.

It has now become boring and absurd to debate Holloway's position. He has far more resources than most teams in the division - but the players aren't playing for him. End of.
 
Every decision he has made has been right with regards to the squad IMO, but somehow this shambles cannot get it right on the pitch.

I want to stick with a manager for a good run, we're fecked now anyways, I am not convinced more changes will help us in the long run. We need a period of consistency, without it we are going to go round in circles for years to come IMO.

However, that was all written currently through clenched fists (quite Hard to type) as I am still absolutely ****ing ******* furious with him and the club. It has to be the worst season in our history already....
 
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