In Holloway's Defense.....

[Melton Fox]

Every decision he has made has been right with regards to the squad IMO.

Bori, Ubuntu, Lazcko, playing Hume left wing?

You wouldn't question anything about his squad, or squad selection?

 

[alex]

Bori, Ubuntu, Lazcko, playing Hume left wing?

You wouldn't question anything about his squad, or squad selection?

Getting in wingers, who looked decent, while clearing out players like Maybury I applauded, playing Hume on the wing was terrible...

 

[norman leet]

Fcuk all. He is nothing more than an incompetant clown at best. Out of his depth and if by a miracle we survive this season we will struggle again next with the fcukwit in charge!!

Note to Ian Hume - When you take a penalty, don't fcuk about with it, just fcuking hit it you tw@t!!

Agree 100%

The fans also have thenself to blame.

MM would of got rid of the fool ages ago, but for the naive chants of 'Ollies Army'

 

[Melton Fox]

Getting in wingers, who looked decent, while clearing out players like Maybury I applauded, playing Hume on the wing was terrible...

I could have got in wingers that nobody has ever heard, not played them, and got rid of Maybury. I could have done it in my first two days of employment.

 

[alex]

I could have got in wingers that nobody has ever heard, not played them, and got rid of Maybury. I could have done it in my first two days of employment.

And Oakley?

You could have done, and Melts in fairness I think you may have also been out of your depth. A Melts/Alex combo however, and we'd be drinking champagne with WBA on Tuesday...

 

[Melton Fox]

And Oakley?

You could have done, and Melts in fairness I think you may have also been out of your depth. A Melts/Alex combo however, and we'd be drinking champagne with WBA on Tuesday...

Indeed we would alex, and if I remember correctly, we were both put forward for that combo on this forum earlier on in the season. If only they'd listened alex, if only they'd listened. Not only would we be sharing the bubbles in the champagne together, we'd be sharing them in the bath too :icon_wink

 

[alex]

I am not bathing with you Melts....

 

[Heineken Matt]

Right, I'm obviously missing something here. I've been asking the question since January and I still haven't had a satisfactory answer. So I'll ask it in a different format.

Why should Ian Holloway be our Manager for the 2008/2009 season?

Now I'm not asking for the what he did at Plymouth answer, because I can give examples of other clubs he's managed to counterbalance that one, and he isn't the Plymouth Manager. Nor am I asking about not sacking another Manager, because stability is only worth having when you're in a league position worthy of being stable in.

So, based on what he's achieved so far in his tenure at Leicester City, why should Ian Holloway be the Manager for the 2008/2009 season?

Educate me, please!!!!

Allow me to educate you Melts, because its actually quite simple.

1. Holloway is a likeable, funny character that most football fans fans relate to and hence want him to do well. When you have a character like him in charge, he is given longer than someone who is disliked (like Megson for example) by virtue of the fact you want him to do well.

2. You are looking for statistics that show why Holloway should remain in charge. I cannot give them to you. Based on our form, there is a strong case for Holloway to be sacked. However, relating back to point 1, I think if we stay up or go down, Holloway should be given time to get things right and in time, I think he will. Just a gut feeling, don't ask me to back it up.

3. Note to all Leicester fans - we have been shit for a long time. We were shit long before Holloway came on board - do not blame Holloway for the short comings of a club in turmoil behind the scenes and who have a squad of underachievers. Why not ask the question - why is it that all the players that come to Leicester become moderate to poor in comparison to their previous clubs? Howard, Oakley, Clemence, NGotty, Cambell were all very good signings - so why now are they playing so poorly? You may point the finger of blame at Olly, my theory is that this Club is rotten all the way through and actually if Olly is unable to motivate these players, any other manager will do no better.

4. Leicester City have become a mickey mouse club. So much so, that we are being sponsored by Walt Disney next season. I read posts on hear suggesting we could get Allardyce or Billy Davies. Wake up everyone, we are punching so far below our weight that in hindsight, we were lucky to get someone like Holloway!

5. Footy fans are fickle feckers - before Holloway came Neil Warnocks name was banded about and 99% of people on here did not want him. Same with Glen Roeder, then there was Paul Jewel, the list is endless. Fact is, it wouldn't matter. This club has far wider reaching problems than the manager, and thats why we are always on the search for the next man - if you think about it, surely one of these managers should have succeeded over the past few seasons, its not coincidence is it!

In a peverse way I actually hope we are relegated, we rebuild like Leeds and come back a better Club. Until we fix the problems behind the scenes, any manager that comes here is on a hiding to nothing.

 

[alex]

Good post Sir.

 

[Melton Fox]

Allow me to educate you Melts, because its actually quite simple..

I choose my friends because of their personality, not my work colleagues or staff. Ultimately they could send your business bankrupt, especially after four months of excessive expenditure and poor performance in the office and production plant.

I see zero justification for your argument in favour of Ollie remaining at the club other than you would like to go out for a pint with him.

But it's not my position to tell you you shouldn't be thinking like that, you're entitled to your opinion, and I have no desire to change it. If ever you apply for a job at the company I work for, make sure you sign your application form "Heineken Matt" :icon_wink, it's a business, not a playground.

 

[spionfox]

MM would of got rid of the fool ages ago, but for the naive chants of 'Ollies Army'

One mans naive is anothers support.

Are you suggesting it would have been better for the crowd to slag the Manager off instead? During the game?

The crowd (en masse) do what they can during a game and chanting 'Ollie Army' is at least supportive even if it is judged to be misguided.

 

[Melton Fox]

Are you suggesting it would have been better for the crowd to slag the Manager off instead? During the game?

It's a shame fans didn't display the same attitude when Megson was in charge.

If fans get on their high horse about backing the Manager now, they should have done it then. Stinks of hypocrisy I'm afraid.

 

[spionfox]

It's a shame fans didn't display the same attitude when Megson was in charge.

If fans get on their high horse about backing the Manager now, they should have done it then. Stinks of hypocrisy I'm afraid.

I can't disagree with that.

 

[alex]

I can't disagree with that.

I can, and I was one who shouted 'Ginger Mourinho' with all my might..

 

[Heineken Matt]

I choose my friends because of their personality, not my work colleagues or staff. Ultimately they could send your business bankrupt, especially after four months of excessive expenditure and poor performance in the office and production plant.

I see zero justification for your argument in favour of Ollie remaining at the club other than you would like to go out for a pint with him.

But it's not my position to tell you you shouldn't be thinking like that, you're entitled to your opinion, and I have no desire to change it. If ever you apply for a job at the company I work for, make sure you sign your application form "Heineken Matt" :icon_wink, it's a business, not a playground.

Melts you were never going to agree with anything I wrote because you have your Holloway Out hat on.

You can blame Holloway if you want, you can blame Allen, Kelly, Levein or however many other managers there have been. You can think that we should be fighting for a play off position rather than a relegation spot, but then ask yourself why? And why have the last 6/7 managers been unable to improve our performances either?

Stop looking for the holy grail, the manager that is the answer to all our prayers - he isn't there - we all fell into the same trap of wanting instant success after MM bought the Club. Fact is, we are so far away from any success at the moment and the one thing that undermines this is the Club itself, not the management.

 

[Travelling Fox]

The main worry for me is Ollies fixation with Howard. Ollie say's that he is a believer in wingers getting behind the defences and then putting the ball over. But when howard plays we simply hoof the ball forward to him and defences have no worries mopping up (ala De-Vries). When he made the subs yesterday he took off 2 players Hume and Hayles and replaced them with Matty and Campbell but by leaving Howard on he didn't change the system. On the Only (and I do mean Only) occaision that he has replaced Howard in a game which was against Colchester we changed the way we played and got the goal back.
I think yesterdays game was lost for 3 reasons. 1 Kisnorbo was carried off and his replacement Bruno at 36 is going to be left stranded by any pace. (3rd goal). Ollies inabillity to change the system we were playing. Also, we need someone on the pitch in the midfield (like Kavanagh) who will install some stabillity in the midfield when it all goes Pete Tong. If you notice Sheff W didn't flap when they went 1 down.
As for the manager, I really like him I think he is a nice bloke but I am increasingly frustrated by his lack of any plan B.

 

[Melton Fox]

Melts you were never going to agree with anything I wrote because you have your Holloway Out hat on.

I never agreed with much of what you wrote before I had my "Holloway out" hat on, so I wouldn't worry too much about that avenue of self preservation.

I'm not going to debate with you anymore on this, you are clearly judging him on emotions, and it's not a level I am have much experience on, sorry.

 

[Heineken Matt]

I never agreed with much of what you wrote before I had my "Holloway out" hat on, so I wouldn't worry too much about that avenue of self preservation.

I'm not going to debate with you anymore on this, you are clearly judging him on emotions, and it's not a level I am have much experience on, sorry.

But you started the fecking thread!!!!!!!!!!! You knew the answer to your thread before you posted it.

Did you expect Holloway supporters to somehow state that we were on the back of a 10 game unbeaten run and thats why he shouldn't be sacked??

The only reasons for wanting him to stay is long term stability and yes, the fact he is a likeable character. But you disagree with both these arguments, and then say you don't want to debate them!! You should go into politics Melts.

But this is the part that really annoys me, is all the people who think Holloway should be sacked have no strategic plans for the future, offer no ideas on what our next move should be.

Enlighten me Melts on what are fine Club should do once we do sack Holloway?

 

[Boy Genius]

I have used to term "out of his depth", but what does this really mean?

He is crap! simple as. A good manager would get results from his players and he would then not be out his depth.

 

[Melton Fox]

But you started the fecking thread!!!!!!!!!!!

I did, but to talk to people that are judging him on a footballing level. You have already nigh on admitted to us that you are judging him as a "bloke" before judging him as a Manager.

I don't know him on a personal level, nor do I know much about his personality, you obviously do. So therefore I'm not in a position to get involved in a debate with you, I can only listen to you.