Just Wondering

[Blaby blue blood]

It provides the club with clarity, in terms of always being able to budget for termination, it also provides both parties with some security. At least we will always be guarenteed a compensation package should RK be poached by another club.

Also IMO the club were probably pensive about appointing an unproven manager on a longer term contract, as it would leave them exposed to high compensation packages (as per Levein) in the event of failure.

I may be wrong but I think either party can serve notice to 'stop' the rolling arrangement and it then becomes a straightforward 12 month contract. - Jeff has just confirmed this (sorry)

Wonder when clubs cotton onto the idea of putting players on similar arrangements, it would be a good way of guarenteeing a transfer fee.

Ah I see, thanks.

 

[bocadillo]

Why wouldn't he have to accept it?

It's standard in rolling contracts for either party to be able to stopp the rolling element and tuirn it into a normal contract.

Agreed - but if the other party does not want the terms of the contract to be varied, it is effectively the same as giving them a year's notice, and in the circumstances it would almost certainly be that the parties went their separate ways immediately with the non-consenting partner taking a pay-off.

 

[Jeff]

Agreed - but if the other party does not want the terms of the contract to be varied, it is effectively the same as giving them a year's notice, and in the circumstances it would almost certainly be that the parties went their separate ways immediately with the non-consenting partner taking a pay-off.

Why would the non-consenting partner take a pay-off?

If we gave RK a year's notice and he wanted to leave immediately, surely he'd have to pay the club, not the other way round.

 

[Real Sharapova]

Wonder when clubs cotton onto the idea of putting players on similar arrangements, it would be a good way of guarenteeing a transfer fee.

Ah, but their agents would be wise to this as well, and would advise against signing. Plus I think it would fall foul of FA regulations, as there is a maximum length of contact permitted ( 5 years ), and this would be, in effect, a contract that could last, say, 10 years.

 

[PFKAKTF FOX]

Why would the non-consenting partner take a pay-off?

If we gave RK a year's notice and he wanted to leave immediately, surely he'd have to pay the club, not the other way round.

I would have thought rather than RK pay us, by leaving immediately he would forfeit his right to compensation. However if RK was to serve notice to the club with the intention of leaving immediately presumably he would then have to buy himself out of his contract.

 

[bocadillo]

Why would the non-consenting partner take a pay-off?

If we gave RK a year's notice and he wanted to leave immediately, surely he'd have to pay the club, not the other way round.

I presume that you know that is not the way that things would work in real life. Anybody being switched from a rolling contract to a fixed contract would simply say (if not in so many words) '**** you - I'm not doing another stroke, if that is your attitude'. The only way out would be to pay them off - or have them stuff you for a whole year.

 

[Darth Vodka]

so what's the difference in RK's *rolling* contract and my normal (?) contract with 3 months' notice?

isn't he just on a contract with 12 months' notice

 

[Jeff]

I presume that you know that is not the way that things would work in real life. Anybody being switched from a rolling contract to a fixed contract would simply say (if not in so many words) '**** you - I'm not doing another stroke, if that is your attitude'. The only way out would be to pay them off - or have them stuff you for a whole year.

You may be right, but I would hope anyone who behaved in an unprofessional manner like that would find it difficult to find another employer. I'd rather put him on gardening leave for a year than let him walk out with a pay-off.

 

[PFKAKTF FOX]

so what's the difference in RK's *rolling* contract and my normal (?) contract with 3 months' notice?

isn't he just on a contract with 12 months' notice

Yes he is, however this type of contract is not as common in football, with most contracts being on a fixed term and from day one the contract term decreases as does any compensation payments, with Kelly's contract his compensation remains fixed.

 

[Darth Vodka]

aha

i was confused why they always say "rolling" but as you say, fixed is default and rolling is unusual in football

thanx kermit

 

[bocadillo]

You may be right, but I would hope anyone who behaved in an unprofessional manner like that would find it difficult to find another employer. I'd rather put him on gardening leave for a year than let him walk out with a pay-off.

It could also be deemed unprofessional to unilaterally vary a contract from 'rolling' to 'fixed-term'. It might not even be possible to do so without agreement between the parties.

 

[Jeff]

It could also be deemed unprofessional to unilaterally vary a contract from 'rolling' to 'fixed-term'. It might not even be possible to do so without agreement between the parties.

I guess it depends on the original wording of the contract, but in most cases I'm sure it's possible to do it unilaterally, and anyone who decided to walk out with a year to go should pay compensation, not the other way round.
But we're talking about a hypothetical situation, it's unlikely that this would happen. if the club decides thay want to get rid of a manager they're not going to wait a year, they'll do it immediately and pay him off.

 

[bocadillo]

I guess it depends on the original wording of the contract, but in most cases I'm sure it's possible to do it unilaterally, and anyone who decided to walk out with a year to go should pay compensation, not the other way round.
But we're talking about a hypothetical situation, it's unlikely that this would happen. if the club decides thay want to get rid of a manager they're not going to wait a year, they'll do it immediately and pay him off.

Exactly - and would have to pay one year's salary as compenstion - it is the only realistic outcome.

 

[alex]

Papa was a rolling stone. Wherever he laid his hat was his home and when he died all he left us was alone.

 

[mitcho_uk]

Does it also mean that if RK was approached by another club and wanted to leave that he would have to buy out the rest of his contract?

 

[bocadillo]

Does it also mean that if RK was approached by another club and wanted to leave that he would have to buy out the rest of his contract?

Yes - he, or the club he went to, would be liable to pay compensation to LCFC equal to one year's salary.

 

[Han]

Obviously i'm wrong but i always thought a one year rolling contract was basicy a one-year deal that roles into another one at the renewal date as long of both parties are happy with the terms.

hence either party could decide it wasn't working after a year and walk away.

i'm sure i'm right, gonna do some searching

 

[Lboro fox]

Obviously i'm wrong but i always thought a one year rolling contract was basicy a one-year deal that roles into another one at the renewal date as long of both parties are happy with the terms.

hence either party could decide it wasn't working after a year and walk away.

i'm sure i'm right, gonna do some searching

Thats how my housing contracts used to work, all this talk of constantly having a year seems odd to me, i would have thought that having RK on a straight 1 year contract would be better.

 

[PFKAKTF FOX]

Thats how my housing contracts used to work, all this talk of constantly having a year seems odd to me, i would have thought that having RK on a straight 1 year contract would be better.

What message would that have sent out to Kelly and the players, it would have been the ultimate message from the board that they expected failure and had little or no faith in RK in the long term, also what foundations for the future would Kelly lay knowing he only had a year.

 

[Lboro fox]

What message would that have sent out to Kelly and the players, it would have been the ultimate message from the board that they expected failure and had little or no faith in RK in the long term, also what foundations for the future would Kelly lay knowing he only had a year.

RK is realistic to know that a dismal season means he will be dismissed. Do well and chances are your wages go up, its about time football people had a look at the real world!!!