last nights meeting

[highland fox]

Nah YV,if I was looking for beastality I'd move to East Yorkshire :icon_wink

Not that I am in anyway implying you resemble a Farm Animal YV:icon_redf ....
But you started it

 

[fitz]

the C of E have extremely prominent influence on things. the way that the country works through the year is upon tradition brought through religion despite how irrelevent most people see it as. the government has a horrible job of trying to keep everyone happy, and while for religious reasons some people hate other people's interests it is impossible to keep people happy.

 

[highland fox]

I have the right of Residence in New Zealand.

Thought you might have Steven :icon_roll Is there anywhere you haven't been ?

 

[Leesoh]

:icon_bigg You might be right.

Had enough of this country though, trust me in 3 years time this country will be on it's knees.

My mate had his motor broken in to yesterday, in the car park of greater Manchester Police! He actually arrived at his car as the thief was piling up the contents of his car (radio, sat nav etc) he smashed his fist against the window and the thief nearly jumped through the roof, smashing his head on the roof, he went mad and started having a go at my mate for startling him!!!

Anyway my mate goes back in to Greater Manchester Police to tell them about the crime, including being threatened with a knife. They tell him they cant help him and he has to call a phone number, wtf!!!! Anyway the helpful police officer on the phoneline told him he was stupid to park in their carpark as crime is rife there and all the Police employees ride bikes to work as they cant control the car crime!!

That's because they're too busy policing football matches.

 

[lazzer]

......or not policing them Tim Davies wants to move to police free games.We have had a few already this season and watford is the next and as i previously stated and was contradicted (boc) it actually saves £8000 a match

 

[Steven]

Thought you might have Steven :icon_roll Is there anywhere you haven't been ?

The Americas, North and South. :icon_bigg :icon_lol: :icon_lol:

 

[Hazzman]

If we move the Kop to North Stand, this would create a lot more easier policing (having people who want to create an atmosphere in there) and have a more relaxed stewarding policy within there.

 

[bocadillo]

......or not policing them Tim Davies wants to move to police free games.We have had a few already this season and watford is the next and as i previously stated and was contradicted (boc) it actually saves £8000 a match

Are you suggesting that I said that police-free games don't save money? If so, you're going to have to show me where.

What I have said in the past is that the club can not just decide that they will have a police-free game. The Police will always have the last word on the subject - and will charge for whatever number of officers that they use.

 

[lazzer]

no im not suggesting that you said police free games dont save money .in fact im not suggesting anything i am in fact stating that you said we have no say in the matter of policing and it is the police who decide the levels of police (i can look for the thread if you want ) but last night tim davies (duzzers mate) stated that he and SAG ( safety advisory group) are working together for police free games and it is TD who is driving it and the police have no say in matters contained with in the club providing no laws are broken.

 

[bocadillo]

If we move the Kop to North Stand, this would create a lot more easier policing (having people who want to create an atmosphere in there)

How does moving people from one end of the ground to the other enable them to make any more atmosphere? Is there some kind of magic which will make them sound louder if they are facing south? Or are the acoustics at the north end of the ground better - does sound more easily swell from there than it does from the identical south end? If people want to make atmosphere, they will do it wherever they sit!

There seems to be a thought that sitting next to the away fans causes atmosphere - and that atmosphere causes noise. Well that can't be so, because if it was we would actually be able to hear some noise from L1.

and have a more relaxed stewarding policy within there.

Let me get this straight - you put more 'enthusiastic' home fans next to the away fans - and then you have a more relaxed stewarding policy?

Get real - that isn't going to work. Much as you would like to introduce an anarchistic state to a part of the ground, it just is not going to happen. There are laws that have to be upheld. In today's Mockery the officer who is in charge of policing said, "If you indulge in swearing in the street and it's heard by a policeman most people would expect the bobby to say 'You will be nicked'. That's the standard we apply." Lazzer reported from last night's meeting that 1-finger, 2-finger and 'wanker' signs will still be out.

The only possible reason to want to sit next to the away fans is to 'incite' and 'to be incited'. Not the way that football has been going for some years now - and not the way it is likely to go in the future.

 

[Hazzman]

How does moving people from one end of the ground to the other enable them to make any more atmosphere? Is there some kind of magic which will make them sound louder if they are facing south? Or are the acoustics at the north end of the ground better - does sound more easily swell from there than it does from the identical south end? If people want to make atmosphere, they will do it wherever they sit!

There seems to be a thought that sitting next to the away fans causes atmosphere - and that atmosphere causes noise. Well that can't be so, because if it was we would actually be able to hear some noise from L1.



Let me get this straight - you put more 'enthusiastic' home fans next to the away fans - and then you have a more relaxed stewarding policy?

Get real - that isn't going to work. Much as you would like to introduce an anarchistic state to a part of the ground, it just is not going to happen. There are laws that have to be upheld. In today's Mockery the officer who is in charge of policing said, "If you indulge in swearing in the street and it's heard by a policeman most people would expect the bobby to say 'You will be nicked'. That's the standard we apply." Lazzer reported from last night's meeting that 1-finger, 2-finger and 'wanker' signs will still be out.

The only possible reason to want to sit next to the away fans is to 'incite' and 'to be incited'. Not the way that football has been going for some years now - and not the way it is likely to go in the future.

I recently went to Huddersfield at the Galpharm in which they housed all the singers next to the away fans, the stewarding was fairly relaxed, good atmosphere, tickets a couple of quid cheaper, a steward started to calp when they all started singing 'If you all hate Bradford clap your hands' It works, no mass knowledge behind it but how about simply calling it as they do at Huddersfield 'Insert sponsor here Singing Section Stand', the ticket seller before kick-off advised us to go there aswell, she said 'Where all the atmosphere is?'. And all this a new stadium. . By lowering prices and giving it a decent name and coverage from the club and local media, you be able to make a notorious section for fans.

 

[Steven]

How does moving people from one end of the ground to the other enable them to make any more atmosphere? Is there some kind of magic which will make them sound louder if they are facing south? Or are the acoustics at the north end of the ground better - does sound more easily swell from there than it does from the identical south end? If people want to make atmosphere, they will do it wherever they sit!

There seems to be a thought that sitting next to the away fans causes atmosphere - and that atmosphere causes noise. Well that can't be so, because if it was we would actually be able to hear some noise from L1.



Let me get this straight - you put more 'enthusiastic' home fans next to the away fans - and then you have a more relaxed stewarding policy?

Get real - that isn't going to work. Much as you would like to introduce an anarchistic state to a part of the ground, it just is not going to happen. There are laws that have to be upheld. In today's Mockery the officer who is in charge of policing said, "If you indulge in swearing in the street and it's heard by a policeman most people would expect the bobby to say 'You will be nicked'. That's the standard we apply." Lazzer reported from last night's meeting that 1-finger, 2-finger and 'wanker' signs will still be out.

The only possible reason to want to sit next to the away fans is to 'incite' and 'to be incited'. Not the way that football has been going for some years now - and not the way it is likely to go in the future.

Depends on the circumstances. Any form of words could cause offence, such as "Scientology is a religion" for example. Are we fast approaching the point where we cannot say anything for the fear of being arrested. :icon_eek: :icon_sad:

 

[bocadillo]

no im not suggesting that you said police free games dont save money .in fact im not suggesting anything i am in fact stating that you said we have no say in the matter of policing and it is the police who decide the levels of police (i can look for the thread if you want ) but last night tim davies (duzzers mate) stated that he and SAG ( safety advisory group) are working together for police free games and it is TD who is driving it and the police have no say in matters contained with in the club providing no laws are broken.

If TD thinks (and I don't for one moment believe that he does) that he can simply declare that a game will be police-free, then he is living in cloud-cuckoo land.

Yes, I can believe that he is working with the SAG towards having police-free games, but it should be remembered that the police are part of the SAG. In any case, the police will have the last word - perhaps you should read the Football Licensing Authority's paper on Safety Certificiation and in particular the section on Policing of games

 

[bocadillo]

I recently went to Huddersfield at the Galpharm in which they housed all the singers next to the away fans, the stewarding was fairly relaxed, good atmosphere, tickets a couple of quid cheaper, a steward started to calp when they all started singing 'If you all hate Bradford clap your hands' It works, no mass knowledge behind it but how about simply calling it as they do at Huddersfield 'Insert sponsor here Singing Section Stand', the ticket seller before kick-off advised us to go there aswell, she said 'Where all the atmosphere is?'. And all this a new stadium. . By lowering prices and giving it a decent name and coverage from the club and local media, you be able to make a notorious section for fans.

I recently went to a game at Leicester City where a small number of the home fans sang a song that they knew would cause offence to the away fans. The singing of the song caused a number of away fans to dash towards the home fans and in turn a number of the home fans to dash towards the away fans. In the process, the area that is supposed to be kept 'sterile' between the two sets of fans was breached.

Does that sound like the sort of place where you can have less stewarding? It certainly doesn't to me!

Perhaps there's soemthing different about Hudderfield fans.

 

[bocadillo]

Depends on the circumstances. Any form of words could cause offence, such as "Scientology is a religion" for example. Are we fast approaching the point where we cannot say anything for the fear of being arrested. :icon_eek: :icon_sad:

I don't think he said anything about anybody being arrested for saying that "Scientology is a religion". If he did, it wasn't reported.

 

[Hazzman]

I recently went to a game at Leicester City where a small number of the home fans sang a song that they knew would cause offence to the away fans. The singing of the song caused a number of away fans to dash towards the home fans and in turn a number of the home fans to dash towards the away fans. In the process, the area that is supposed to be kept 'sterile' between the two sets of fans was breached.

Does that sound like the sort of place where you can have less stewarding? It certainly doesn't to me!

Perhaps there's soemthing different about Hudderfield fans.

I can take that argument into account Boca as Huddersfield's ground is four seperate stands not a-joining. No need to put it so sarcastic though.

 

[Babylon]

Look what happened at filbo with two "enthusiastic" sets of fans next to each other. It was bloody warfare at times. Coins being thrown, fans charging the pitch to try and get into the kop.

It's not just the violence inside the ground that would go up. The fans winding each other up inside is only going to transfer outside. I would bet the amount of arrests has halved since we moved out of filbo.

Personally I enjoyed it as it seemed to make the day more exciting (I was young). But the club would never go back to that no matter how many people say they want it.

 

[bocadillo]

I can take that argument into account Boca as Huddersfield's ground is four seperate stands not a-joining. No need to put it so sarcastic though.

I'm sorry if it appeared that what I wrote was sarcastic; it was not meant to be. I was simply trying to point out that what will work at Huddersfield might not work at Liecester - and it would not only be the shape of the stadium to blame.

 

[lazzer]

If TD thinks (and I don't for one moment believe that he does) that he can simply declare that a game will be police-free, then he is living in cloud-cuckoo land.

Yes, I can believe that he is working with the SAG towards having police-free games, but it should be remembered that the police are part of the SAG. In any case, the police will have the last word - perhaps you should read the Football Licensing Authority's paper on Safety Certificiation and in particular the section on Policing of games

when did i say that TD declares a game police free i said he is working with sag and wants as many as possible as it saves the club £8000 a game the point is i previously stated that the club uses rapid response to save money and you replied that is doesnt which is inaccurate. or have you become so objective to peoples points you have forgotten what you are disagreeing with ?

 

[Leesoh]

Well it almost kicked off between our own fans last night.....ho hum.