Post Match Manchester United 5 Leicester 2 EFL Cup

[camberwell fox]

My point is that he isn’t going to be publicly call out the players. So he’s either going to say it’s on him, or as per the other night, need to do more work on the training ground - which is ultimately the same thing just worded differently.

I agree that we’re conceding a lot of goals, but disagree that we’re conceding in “exactly the same way every single game.” I don’t recall seeing a free kick off the head of a defender before the other night. But ultimately, we’re scoring a lot of goals. And whilst we’re doing that, and picking up some results along the way, I don’t really care that we’re conceding a lot. You do, that’s fine.

In terms of the transfer market, ultimately no one knows exactly how much say he has in this, even you don’t despite claiming otherwise. It’s fair to say that the new recruits haven’t exactly set the world on fire (I include Fatawu in that), but we weren’t exactly an attractive proposition being a newly promoted team with a massive points deduction hanging over our heads. Any player joining would be doing so knowing they’d likely be playing in the Championship next season, or being here for one season only.

You can jump aboard any Cooper out train that you would like, but if we fail to beat Ipswich we’ll still not be in the bottom three. I think most would call that a success at the end of the season, so I struggle to sure why some don’t think it’s a success during the season.

I agree with all except the last paragraph.

With the points deduction we would have done extremely well to avoid the drop but now, without that particular sword dangling above us, realistically (and with our squad), mid table (10th to 14tj) should be achievable.

A defeat to Ipswich would be an extremely poor and damaging result in my opinion.

 

[City Fan]

I agree with all except the last paragraph.

With the points deduction we would have done extremely well to avoid the drop but now, without that particular sword dangling above us, realistically (and with our squad), mid table (10th to 14tj) should be achievable.

A defeat to Ipswich would be an extremely poor and damaging result in my opinion.

I guess this is where we differ.

I believe we have a much weaker squad than we did when we were relegated.

And then we got promoted without really smashing the league to pieces (we don’t even feature in the top ten highest points totals and got fewer points than Burnley the season before). And then haven’t exactly made great signings.

So I don’t think we do have a squad that should be 10-14th. I think if we finish 10-14th it’ll be a bloody miracle and we’ll have overachieved massively.

 

[camberwell fox]

I guess this is where we differ.

I believe we have a much weaker squad than we did when we were relegated.

And then we got promoted without really smashing the league to pieces (we don’t even feature in the top ten highest points totals and got fewer points than Burnley the season before). And then haven’t exactly made great signings.

So I don’t think we do have a squad that should be 10-14th. I think if we finish 10-14th it’ll be a bloody miracle and we’ll have overachieved massively.

I agree that our squad is weaker than when we were relegated but we should be better than about half a dozen sides in the Prem right now.

We aren’t doing terribly and we aren’t doing magnificently, we are, I guess, treading water.

What is frustrating is that the major issues we have are fixable but we just don’t seem to want to.

Going 5 at the back away from home makes perfect sense then see how it goes but currently we are inviting losses due to our set up and we can’t keep clawing back from a deficit.

 

[Brown Nose]

As the best of the promoted sides, I'd say that anything above 18th is a good outcome.

Having watched all the PL sides enough now, I don't see any real likelihood of us finishing higher than 18th.

Palace and Wolves are considerably better than us. Everton also have the edge over us with Dyche being so experienced at doing just enough.

So I look at Cooper and want to see any signs of progress. Anything to suggest that we'll at least be close enough to exploit something like new owners at Everton changing manager and messing up. Or someone having a collapse like we did two years ago.

I just don't see it though. The players just don't look like they are on board with the tactical plan. The tactical plan is dog shit so I don't blame them.

I'm just disappointed in Cooper so far. Objectively, we're about where you'd expect but I worry about us. We stink of a relegation team.

If we survive it will be through luck.

 

[londonfox]

As the best of the promoted sides, I'd say that anything above 18th is a good outcome.

Having watched all the PL sides enough now, I don't see any real likelihood of us finishing higher than 18th.

Palace and Wolves are considerably better than us. Everton also have the edge over us with Dyche being so experienced at doing just enough.

So I look at Cooper and want to see any signs of progress. Anything to suggest that we'll at least be close enough to exploit something like new owners at Everton changing manager and messing up. Or someone having a collapse like we did two years ago.

I just don't see it though. The players just don't look like they are on board with the tactical plan. The tactical plan is dog shit so I don't blame them.

I'm just disappointed in Cooper so far. Objectively, we're about where you'd expect but I worry about us. We stink of a relegation team.

If we survive it will be through luck.

Largely agree with this. Except that Wolves are considerably better than us. I don’t see much Premier League level talent in their squad. And their manger is no better than Cooper.

Completely agree that it’s hard to (objectively) see signs of progress with us this season.