Post Match Manchester United 5 Leicester 2 EFL Cup

[camberwell fox]

I'm properly on the wobble about Cooper.

We're shipping goals all over the place and he's saying that we're playing well and there are just a few individual errors.

He was also asked (not for the first time) about the obvious structural defensive problem. He just goes on about getting back on the training ground. Hmm.

If we lose on Saturday, I reserve the right to go full blown Cooper out.

God help the forum!

 

[big_mac4824]

Okoli needs a break. Coady and Thomas were always going to be off the pace. They've not played all season.

Thomas would struggle in league 1 I really don't think it is a lack of games rather than he is not good enough at this level.

 

[FOX Franks]

I think it is easy to overlook that whilst we are shipping goals we are actually one of extremely few teams to have scored in every league game this season.

Scoring in the premier league is what most promoted teams struggle with.

 

[FOX Franks]

Just watching the highlights

- What a hit from Casemiro
- Lovely hit from Al Khannouss as well
- Unlucky deflection but Meh
- Bollocks from Okoli for 5.

We move on.

 

[bocadillo]

extremely few

Two

 

[City Fan]

He was also asked (not for the first time) about the obvious structural defensive problem. He just goes on about getting back on the training ground. Hmm.

What are you expecting him to say?

 

[Brown Nose]

What are you expecting him to say?

Every opponent is exploiting our 'missing' full back problem.

After four months working with this group, I don't expect this to be something to 'work on'. It's bleeding obvious that it won't work.

My main issue is his half arsed version of last seasons approach. It will get us relegated.

I expected Cooper to be Cooper. Compact, pragmatic and exciting on the counter attack. We're just open and silly.

 

[Miles Away]

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Barking mad.

 

[HFox]

You compare that display and defensive shape/organisation compared to an EFL Cup tie v Liverpool last night. The regression is huge. The lack of proper coaching is evident - the players are the same fellas playing a similar quality as the example cited but the shape being used is utterly woeful. Ten games of the right hand side being exposed. He play two sitting midfielders yet there is very little protection.

 

[popillius]

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Was he watching a different game?

He's already gone full blown Wibble.

 

[popillius]

What are you expecting him to say?

Well, usually he says 'it's on me'. He didn't last night. But it was.

It's obvious we disagree on a lot of stuff but I am genuinely intrigued. You must see that we are conceding in exactly the same way every single game. He's doing nothing to change our defensive approach and it is so easy for opposition managers to exploit. Many of us, including me, have praised the things he has done right, but there must also be criticism of the things he has done wrong, and there's a lot of those.

He and his team have done an appalling job in the transfer market and I know that you'll say he isn't responsible for that but he absolutely will have had much more of a say than people think in bringing in players; we've brought in complete dross. He's used the same defensive setup every single game since pre-season. It was obvious in those horrible, early pre-season games that it was never going to work and yet he has persisted with it. It's simply madness to expect that it will suddenly become a successful strategy.

I haven't in all seriousness, called for him to be sacked because that would have been daft at this stage. If, however, we don't beat Ipswich because we make the same mistakes yet again, then it'll be time for me and many others to jump aboard the Cooper out train.

I find his inability to learn anything quickly enough, and his use of substitutions so, so frustrating. I'm sure he has talents, he's showed them at other clubs in other situations but whatever they may be, they're not yet a match for what we need in our given predicament. We need to get the very basics right and we need a manager who can adapt quickly given the small number of quality squad options we have. I'm yet to see any sign of Cooper being that guy. That's not an 'agenda', it's simply looking at what's in front of me week in, week out and getting fed up of pissing away hundreds of pounds to watch the same show play out.

 

[londonfox]

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Aren’t there circumstances around every goal? In fact, aren’t there circumstances around everything in life?

 

[londonfox]

You compare that display and defensive shape/organisation compared to an EFL Cup tie v Liverpool last night. The regression is huge. The lack of proper coaching is evident - the players are the same fellas playing a similar quality as the example cited but the shape being used is utterly woeful. Ten games of the right hand side being exposed. He play two sitting midfielders yet there is very little protection.

That’s impossible to argue against. Well, for the sane among us it is.

 

[glyn]

Well, usually he says 'it's on me'. He didn't last night. But it was.

It's obvious we disagree on a lot of stuff but I am genuinely intrigued. You must see that we are conceding in exactly the same way every single game. He's doing nothing to change our defensive approach and it is so easy for opposition managers to exploit. Many of us, including me, have praised the things he has done right, but there must also be criticism of the things he has done wrong, and there's a lot of those.

He and his team have done an appalling job in the transfer market and I know that you'll say he isn't responsible for that but he absolutely will have had much more of a say than people think in bringing in players; we've brought in complete dross. He's used the same defensive setup every single game since pre-season. It was obvious in those horrible, early pre-season games that it was never going to work and yet he has persisted with it. It's simply madness to expect that it will suddenly become a successful strategy.

I haven't in all seriousness, called for him to be sacked because that would have been daft at this stage. If, however, we don't beat Ipswich because we make the same mistakes yet again, then it'll be time for me and many others to jump aboard the Cooper out train.

I find his inability to learn anything quickly enough, and his use of substitutions so, so frustrating. I'm sure he has talents, he's showed them at other clubs in other situations but whatever they may be, they're not yet a match for what we need in our given predicament. We need to get the very basics right and we need a manager who can adapt quickly given the small number of quality squad options we have. I'm yet to see any sign of Cooper being that guy. That's not an 'agenda', it's simply looking at what's in front of me week in, week out and getting fed up of pissing away hundreds of pounds to watch the same show play out.

That’s a very reasonable summary of the situation.

 

[SilverFox]

Aren’t there circumstances around every goal? In fact, aren’t there circumstances around everything in life?

Yes. I posted it because I found it quite funny.

Yes we conceded 5, but come on guys… circumstances FFS.

 

[Volpone]

The circumstances are that 2 - 2 would have been a decent result. They scored one from a wicked deflection, another from a dreadful back pass and another that was blatantly and clearly offside.

 

[popillius]

The circumstances are that 2 - 2 would have been a decent result. They scored one from a wicked deflection, another from a dreadful back pass and another that was blatantly and clearly offside.

This may be the single most ridiculous, wibbletastic reasoning ever written on here. It's like a Superscout post.

 

[Blue Maniac]

This may be the single most ridiculous, wibbletastic reasoning ever written on here. It's like a Superscout post.

I dunno, man. This seems like mid-table wibble by our standards. SuperScout, old school Joe_, jas — that’s the Man City/Barcelona/Madrid level stuff. This is just Bolton under Sam Allardyce.

 

[Miles Away]

I dunno, man. This seems like mid-table wibble by our standards. SuperScout, old school Joe_, jas — that’s the Man City/Barcelona/Madrid level stuff. This is just Bolton under Sam Allardyce.

Chrysalis.

 

[City Fan]

Well, usually he says 'it's on me'. He didn't last night. But it was.

It's obvious we disagree on a lot of stuff but I am genuinely intrigued. You must see that we are conceding in exactly the same way every single game. He's doing nothing to change our defensive approach and it is so easy for opposition managers to exploit. Many of us, including me, have praised the things he has done right, but there must also be criticism of the things he has done wrong, and there's a lot of those.

He and his team have done an appalling job in the transfer market and I know that you'll say he isn't responsible for that but he absolutely will have had much more of a say than people think in bringing in players; we've brought in complete dross. He's used the same defensive setup every single game since pre-season. It was obvious in those horrible, early pre-season games that it was never going to work and yet he has persisted with it. It's simply madness to expect that it will suddenly become a successful strategy.

I haven't in all seriousness, called for him to be sacked because that would have been daft at this stage. If, however, we don't beat Ipswich because we make the same mistakes yet again, then it'll be time for me and many others to jump aboard the Cooper out train.

I find his inability to learn anything quickly enough, and his use of substitutions so, so frustrating. I'm sure he has talents, he's showed them at other clubs in other situations but whatever they may be, they're not yet a match for what we need in our given predicament. We need to get the very basics right and we need a manager who can adapt quickly given the small number of quality squad options we have. I'm yet to see any sign of Cooper being that guy. That's not an 'agenda', it's simply looking at what's in front of me week in, week out and getting fed up of pissing away hundreds of pounds to watch the same show play out.

My point is that he isn’t going to be publicly call out the players. So he’s either going to say it’s on him, or as per the other night, need to do more work on the training ground - which is ultimately the same thing just worded differently.

I agree that we’re conceding a lot of goals, but disagree that we’re conceding in “exactly the same way every single game.” I don’t recall seeing a free kick off the head of a defender before the other night. But ultimately, we’re scoring a lot of goals. And whilst we’re doing that, and picking up some results along the way, I don’t really care that we’re conceding a lot. You do, that’s fine.

In terms of the transfer market, ultimately no one knows exactly how much say he has in this, even you don’t despite claiming otherwise. It’s fair to say that the new recruits haven’t exactly set the world on fire (I include Fatawu in that), but we weren’t exactly an attractive proposition being a newly promoted team with a massive points deduction hanging over our heads. Any player joining would be doing so knowing they’d likely be playing in the Championship next season, or being here for one season only.

You can jump aboard any Cooper out train that you would like, but if we fail to beat Ipswich we’ll still not be in the bottom three. I think most would call that a success at the end of the season, so I struggle to sure why some don’t think it’s a success during the season.