Post Match Newcastle 4 Leicester 0

[Billyjof]

Difficult to blame players for just being shite really. They could turn the job down but other than that...not much anyone could do. if you offered me £50k a week to do Danny Ward's job I'd take it. just using him as an example. I'm sure both Cooper and RVN has asked them to not be shit but it's where we're at.

I see Danny Ward and genuinely feel sorry for him. He gets a lot of blame but is he really that bad?

Then I work out he makes £2.6M a year and he can **** right off.

 

[Brown Nose]

I see Danny Ward and genuinely feel sorry for him. He gets a lot of blame but is he really that bad?

Then I work out he makes £2.6M a year and he can **** right off.

This is his 7th season of it too.

 

[Rock Fox]

Danny Ward is not the reason we lost.

True - we were already a goal down before he let in 300% more goals

 

[FOX Franks]

I missed most of today I was out with the gents doing our yearly charity santa run.


When I saw that Ward had been on the pitch the 4-0 made more sense.
If Hermansen is properly injured we’re f-u-k-t ****ed.

 

[Rock Fox]

Lambs to the slaughter

At least lambs might bleat in defiance - we didn't even see that level of resistance today - just a meek acceptance that we were doomed after conceding the 1st goal.

 

[SilverFox]

So today's disaster is the fault of everyone, Maresca, Cooper, Rudkin, Top etc. but not the players?

If they are shit it is hard to blame them for that fact. If I was employed to be an astrophysicist knowing I can’t do that, it wouldn’t be my fault that I’m shit at astrophysics. It would be the eejit who employed me.

 

[Miles Away]

Yeah I can believe that

Incredible that we went out on a limb with a manager with a whole new playing style and culture, allowed that to embed throughout the team, and then we go a replace him with a backwards looking dinosaur like Cooper who was as anti-Maresca as you could possibly get

I know options were limited, but with that one act we dismantled everything that we had tried to build up to that point and it left us in a complete shitstorm

Ludicrous decision making

Dreadful decision. Was obvious in minute 1.

 

[Miles Away]

So today's disaster is the fault of everyone, Maresca, Cooper, Rudkin, Top etc. but not the players?

Well yes, they’re shit.

 

[SilverFox]

We'd have a lot less points now if we'd been without goal contributions from summer signings.

Counter argument. If we’d made better signings we would have more points.

 

[Miles Away]

I missed most of today I was out with the gents doing our yearly charity santa run.


When I saw that Ward had been on the pitch the 4-0 made more sense.
If Hermansen is properly injured we’re f-u-k-t ****ed.

We simply cannot play Ward. There has to be another keeper on the books even if it’s an U21.

The fact he’s even been on the bench is embarrassing. He shouldn’t be anywhere near the squad.

 

[popillius]

We then inexplicably recruited a manager who had totally different ideas on how to compete this season.

But this is exactly what you and many other fans wanted. You were adamant that Maresca's brand of football would have left us flailing at the bottom of the league. We moved away from a system and a style of play that was working incredibly well to one that was just totally free from any guidance or instruction. We need to hope that RvN brings back some very strict order to the way we play but as I said at the time of his sacking, I fear the damage done under Cooper and the ludicrous signings he and his team brought in, will be too much to recover from for any manager.

 

[popillius]

I think there are too many people using Ward as an easy way out here.

He was absolutely not at fault for any of the goals he conceded. We'd have been beaten four nil with a prime Banks between the sticks.

We defended atrociously and focussing on a keeper who did nothing wrong all game is giving useless ****s like Choudhury, Justin, El Khannouss etc a free pass. They were horrendous and couldn't pass more than a yard without giving the ball away.

If Ndidi, Winks and Soumare aren't fit soon we may as well just pack it all in.

 

[Bobbins]

Nothing that’s relevant to this season has changed as a result of this game. Except Ruud has learned a bit more. Next game is big.

 

[Brown Nose]

But this is exactly what you and many other fans wanted. You were adamant that Maresca's brand of football would have left us flailing at the bottom of the league. We moved away from a system and a style of play that was working incredibly well to one that was just totally free from any guidance or instruction. We need to hope that RvN brings back some very strict order to the way we play but as I said at the time of his sacking, I fear the damage done under Cooper and the ludicrous signings he and his team brought in, will be too much to recover from for any manager.

I don't want to revisit the EM thing. In my opinion, playing like we did last season would have been suicidal. We'll never know if that's what would have happened.

My point was that we had planned for one sort of recruitment and then employed someone who wanted different sorts of players. That's why our summer was shambolic.

Cooper wasn't employed to copy EM. He was employed to keep us up and he wanted experienced players for that. Not technical young players. That's fair enough.

The problem is that Cooper didn't find a system that worked and didn't get last season's main men to buy into him. I'm really not sure he had a chance.

You either recruit a manager who will continue the 'philosophy' and continue to recruit as was planned. Or you recruit a manager that changes things and support him with players that enable him to do it.

We did neither.

Now we change again and the next victim has to make sense of a complete mess. So we choose someone with no experience of doing anything like what's needed who now has a load of players that don't fit.

Everything goes back to who deserves the blame for this. And it isn't Cooper and it isn't the people responsible for recruitment in the summer.

 

[SilverFox]

 

[popillius]

I don't want to revisit the EM thing. In my opinion, playing like we did last season would have been suicidal. We'll never know if that's what would have happened.

My point was that we had planned for one sort of recruitment and then employed someone who wanted different sorts of players. That's why our summer was shambolic.

Cooper wasn't employed to copy EM. He was employed to keep us up and he wanted experienced players for that. Not technical young players. That's fair enough.

The problem is that Cooper didn't find a system that worked and didn't get last season's main men to buy into him. I'm really not sure he had a chance.

You either recruit a manager who will continue the 'philosophy' and continue to recruit as was planned. Or you recruit a manager that changes things and support him with players that enable him to do it.

We did neither.

Now we change again and the next victim has to make sense of a complete mess. So we choose someone with no experience of doing anything like what's needed who now has a load of players that don't fit.

Everything goes back to who deserves the blame for this. And it isn't Cooper and it isn't the people responsible for recruitment in the summer.

Playing like we did last season would have afforded us no fewer points than we have now I'd wager. We aren't doing the very basics right at the moment and that has nothing to do with a step up in challenge and everything to do with players finding themselves without any instruction or direction. Cooper and his team are absolutely to blame for that. I'm not absolving the twats that hired him of anything, but to suggest that Cooper didn't damage what was a good foundation is foolhardy. He did, and probably irreparably in terms of us staying in this league. He had every chance to change things if he'd wanted to but that required him actually having a plan to aim towards. It's absolutely obvious to anyone (well, nearly anyone) that he had no such plan. It was all 'back of a fag packet' tactics and selections that were wholly unconvincing. Once we got rid of Cooper, we were then fishing in a pool so shallow, the fish were scraping their arses on the bottom.

After three games and with our injury and missing list as it was today, making judgement of RvN and what he is able to do is premature. He may be complete shite, time will give us a definitive answer to this but four points from West Ham and Brighton isn't a terrible start. Today he got it wrong but he was picking out the sweetcorn from a turd; it had no chance of ending well.

The last bit about recruitment doesn't make any sense. If you think those masterminds behind the purchasing/loaning of Edouard, Okoli, Cordova-Reid, Ayew and Golding are somehow free from any blame for our position then I think you're being far too forgiving of their incompetence. I guess your argument is that they didn't know which system to buy players to fit....

Well, if they'd have thought about buying actual footballers instead of complete garbage, then at least that would have been a start.

 

[camberwell fox]

I don't want to revisit the EM thing. In my opinion, playing like we did last season would have been suicidal. We'll never know if that's what would have happened.

My point was that we had planned for one sort of recruitment and then employed someone who wanted different sorts of players. That's why our summer was shambolic.

Cooper wasn't employed to copy EM. He was employed to keep us up and he wanted experienced players for that. Not technical young players. That's fair enough.

The problem is that Cooper didn't find a system that worked and didn't get last season's main men to buy into him. I'm really not sure he had a chance.

You either recruit a manager who will continue the 'philosophy' and continue to recruit as was planned. Or you recruit a manager that changes things and support him with players that enable him to do it.

We did neither.

Now we change again and the next victim has to make sense of a complete mess. So we choose someone with no experience of doing anything like what's needed who now has a load of players that don't fit.

Everything goes back to who deserves the blame for this. And it isn't Cooper and it isn't the people responsible for recruitment in the summer.

Fair analysis.

 

[camberwell fox]

Playing like we did last season would have afforded us no fewer points than we have now I'd wager. We aren't doing the very basics right at the moment and that has nothing to do with a step up in challenge and everything to do with players finding themselves without any instruction or direction. Cooper and his team are absolutely to blame for that. I'm not absolving the twats that hired him of anything, but to suggest that Cooper didn't damage what was a good foundation is foolhardy. He did, and probably irreparably in terms of us staying in this league. He had every chance to change things if he'd wanted to but that required him actually having a plan to aim towards. It's absolutely obvious to anyone (well, nearly anyone) that he had no such plan. It was all 'back of a fag packet' tactics and selections that were wholly unconvincing. Once we got rid of Cooper, we were then fishing in a pool so shallow, the fish were scraping their arses on the bottom.

After three games and with our injury and missing list as it was today, making judgement of RvN and what he is able to do is premature. He may be complete shite, time will give us a definitive answer to this but four points from West Ham and Brighton isn't a terrible start. Today he got it wrong but he was picking out the sweetcorn from a turd; it had no chance of ending well.

The last bit about recruitment doesn't make any sense. If you think those masterminds behind the purchasing/loaning of Edouard, Okoli, Cordova-Reid, Ayew and Golding are somehow free from any blame for our position then I think you're being far too forgiving of their incompetence. I guess your argument is that they didn't know which system to buy players to fit....

Well, if they'd have thought about buying actual footballers instead of complete garbage, then at least that would have been a start.

Some fair points in this too.

 

[City Fan]

I don't want to revisit the EM thing. In my opinion, playing like we did last season would have been suicidal. We'll never know if that's what would have happened.

My point was that we had planned for one sort of recruitment and then employed someone who wanted different sorts of players. That's why our summer was shambolic.

Cooper wasn't employed to copy EM. He was employed to keep us up and he wanted experienced players for that. Not technical young players. That's fair enough.

The problem is that Cooper didn't find a system that worked and didn't get last season's main men to buy into him. I'm really not sure he had a chance.

You either recruit a manager who will continue the 'philosophy' and continue to recruit as was planned. Or you recruit a manager that changes things and support him with players that enable him to do it.

We did neither.

Now we change again and the next victim has to make sense of a complete mess. So we choose someone with no experience of doing anything like what's needed who now has a load of players that don't fit.

Everything goes back to who deserves the blame for this. And it isn't Cooper and it isn't the people responsible for recruitment in the summer.

Absolutely spot on.
All roads lead to the ‘Top’.

 

[OzzieFox]

But this is exactly what you and many other fans wanted. You were adamant that Maresca's brand of football would have left us flailing at the bottom of the league. We moved away from a system and a style of play that was working incredibly well to one that was just totally free from any guidance or instruction. We need to hope that RvN brings back some very strict order to the way we play but as I said at the time of his sacking, I fear the damage done under Cooper and the ludicrous signings he and his team brought in, will be too much to recover from for any manager.

Okay, I think time we had some kind of Mandella-esque Truth and Reconciliation Committee. I had a foot in both camps. I prefer possession-based football, but I did get a bit fed up with Zeee system. To be honest, I thought we could have done even better with a more attacking style. I didn’t think the Maresca way would work with our players in the Prem. And now, when I look back on that beautiful game, I feel dirty and I'm full of shame for feeling a sense of relief when EM left. There will always be the argument of “We’ll never know”…….. but I think we kind of do now.

Feck I’m sorry. It just goes to show, be careful what you wish for.

Speaking of being careful of what you wish for, there seems to be a lot of scape-goating. People do love a villain to blame (I felt so sorry for Danny Ward when he came on, he actually made a worldy of save). Obviously we could all get behind the castigation of Cooper, after an initial open mind, it was excruciatingly obvious it was not working and I think we could have been as reckless as we liked in what we wished for after him.

And Aiyawatt is definitely not the person to blame. He obviously doesn’t understand football, (why should he, he pays other people for that). He is not in this business to asset strip the club and make a fortune. I do think he feels a connection to Leicester more than any other owner in recent history. His main flaw is, he’s too loyal and takes too long to get rid of dead wood. He is actually a Top owner, and we are lucky to have him. Imagine if some Elon Musk/American businessman bought the club. I’d fecking hate it and we’d be fecked.