Pearson's on the Monday Mong Fest Tonight

[The Old Fox]

I believe that Maynard thinks he can do better than join us. One of the big problems that faced Sven and will now confront Pearson is that it is very difficult to attract the players that are our first choice signings. My take is that situation led to Sven signing second, third and maybe fourth choices which was fair enough - except that he seems to have paid well over the odds to get their signatures.

I wish that I could claim originality to the following question: I cannot but, I have yet to see a good answer (perhaps this time....)

Why does the price of the players concern you? Were you to have judged them not good enough, that is fair enough, but our beloved Chairman is backing the spending. The only thing to worry the fan is their quality.

 

[Micky]

I believe that Maynard thinks he can do better than join us. One of the big problems that faced Sven and will now confront Pearson is that it is very difficult to attract the players that are our first choice signings. My take is that situation led to Sven signing second, third and maybe fourth choices which was fair enough - except that he seems to have paid well over the odds to get their signatures.

I think Pearson will get his first choice signings. The reason being, he won't be going for the big name, glamour players (e.g. robbie keane, shane long, nicky maynard etc.). He will target unknown youngsters (e.g. cleverley, davies, hobbs etc.) or unknown foreigners (e.g. tunchev). I would hope to see the types of players he got in at Hull e.g Cameron Stewart, liam rosenoir, corry evans etc.

 

[Miles Away]

You don't go up with an aging Steve Howard in your starting lineup...of that much I am certain.

 

[spionfox]

I think Pearson will get his first choice signings. The reason being, he won't be going for the big name, glamour players (e.g. robbie keane, shane long, nicky maynard etc.). He will target unknown youngsters (e.g. cleverley, davies, hobbs etc.) or unknown foreigners (e.g. tunchev). I would hope to see the types of players he got in at Hull e.g Cameron Stewart, liam rosenoir, corry evans etc.

If Shane Long (or Nicky Maynard for that matter) is a "big name, glamour player" then I'm Father Christmas.

 

[Cate Fox]

This is certainly the thread of overreactions :icon_lol:

 

[Micky]

If Shane Long (or Nicky Maynard for that matter) is a "big name, glamour player" then I'm Father Christmas.

Ok maybe not big names but certainly more household names than the likes of Waghorn, Hobbs and the rest.

 

[Lako42]

Ok maybe not big names but certainly more household names than the likes of Waghorn, Hobbs and the rest.

I hope to **** he goes for household names then.

 

[Matt_B]

How many has Maynard scored since the end of the window?

 

[Blue Maniac]

How many has Maynard scored since the end of the window?

132.

 

[camberwell fox]

132.

Dusty bin?

 

[indierich06]

The fact he used the word definitely in there. I never said he would waltz straight back in but I wouldn't surprised if he doesn't find himself higher up the pecking order than Beckford.

So because of that one word in an interview with our manager you've come to the conclusion that Martyn Waghorn will be starting every game once he's fit and Beckford will be sold in January... Seems a bit of a stretch to me.

We can't afford to sell any strikers - our only backup at the moment is Steve Howard! IMO, when he says that Waghorn is definitely in his plans, he must just be happy to have another striker available to him who he knows quite well as a player, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Redditch Fox]

I wish that I could claim originality to the following question: I cannot but, I have yet to see a good answer (perhaps this time....)

Why does the price of the players concern you? Were you to have judged them not good enough, that is fair enough, but our beloved Chairman is backing the spending. The only thing to worry the fan is their quality.

Not bothered in the slightest how much they spend. But i am bothered that they will get fed up if they start to think that they have been ripped off without getting any sort of value. Such a disillusion could have bad consequences. Hopefully, they will suspend disbelief and continue to 'invest' (definition in football terms is waste their money) because we haven't got sufficient quality and balance in the squad at the moment.

 

[Redditch Fox]

I think Pearson will get his first choice signings. The reason being, he won't be going for the big name, glamour players (e.g. robbie keane, shane long, nicky maynard etc.). He will target unknown youngsters (e.g. cleverley, davies, hobbs etc.) or unknown foreigners (e.g. tunchev). I would hope to see the types of players he got in at Hull e.g Cameron Stewart, liam rosenoir, corry evans etc.

On reflection I think and hope that's right. Dear old Sven did have a bit of an obsession on trying to bring in 'name' players; Pearson and his oppo Walsh have shown better priorities in the past.

 

[homer]

On reflection I think and hope that's right. Dear old Sven did have a bit of an obsession on trying to bring in 'name' players; Pearson and his oppo Walsh have shown better priorities in the past.

Wouldn't call Peltier, Bamba, Schmeichel, Nugent, St Leger or Danns 'name players', by any measure

Konchesky, Fernandes and Mills had a slightly higher profile, but still don't fit that tag

The only one, arguably, that might be seen as such is Beckford - but he was certainly not Sven's first choice, and hardly a genuine 'name'

The problem with Sven is that, despite the hype, he actually failed to bring in any 'name' players at all, but more the lower key (and very average) players that would fit the supposed approach ascribed to Pearson and Walsh. Had he actually done what he is accused of, we probably wouldn't be in the mess we are now

 

[indierich06]

Wouldn't call Peltier, Bamba, Schmeichel, Nugent, St Leger or Danns 'name players', by any measure

Konchesky, Fernandes and Mills had a slightly higher profile, but still don't fit that tag

The only one, arguably, that might be seen as such is Beckford - but he was certainly not Sven's first choice, and hardly a genuine 'name'

The problem with Sven is that, despite the hype, he actually failed to bring in any 'name' players at all, but more the lower key (and very average) players that would fit the supposed approach ascribed to Pearson and Walsh. Had he actually done what he is accused of, we probably wouldn't be in the mess we are now

I see what you're saying, but I think what Redditch is trying to say is that Pearson seemed to sign decent players from absolutely nowhere. Who'd heard of the likes of Mark Davies, Tom Cleverley, Michael Morrison, Richie Wellens, Martyn Waghorn etc before we signed them? Even Jack Hobbs was relatively unknown.

 

[SJN-Fox]

It appears certain that Maynard doesn't want to sign for us; he didn't in the last transfer window and I guess he's even less likely to now that our prospects of gaining promotion this season have considerably dimmed. The guy wants to play in the Premier League asap and I guess he will sign for one of the strugglers or potential strugglers in that league.

According to the press, Fulham are looking to offer £4m for him to replace Zamora.

 

[Babylon]

It just seems to me that Pearson is looking to reassemble the 2009 team and then move on from there. I don't think that's the way to move forward. Yes all the players should be given the chance to perform and have the opportunity to impress but he hasn't said anything like that about Fernandes, Abe et al.

If he was trying to recreate his old team he'd be playing Weale and Berner. He's playing the signings that have done well and not playing the ones that have been average or worse!

Is it a shock he's picking people he knows at trusts? (for the moment). The guys brought in by Sven and Sousa haven't exactly covered themselves in glory over the last two years. Can we really say any one of them has earned themselves a starting spot with their performances? Fair enough Wellens and King haven't either, but I think it's more a case of better the devil you know at the moment.

He sees Fernandes and Abe in training all the time, maybe they just haven't done enough to prove themselves worthy. Maybe he already knows they would prefer a move in January. Unfortunately we only know half the story and we aren't around at training to see the partnerships he may have tried out. The only place we get to see them in action is on the pitch, so naturally people scream for changes in games. But if he's already tried it and doesn't think it will work, why would he just make a change for changes sake?

It's only been six games, he said on the phone in that he'll never go for quick fixes and that it's a long term project. Because January is a hard time to get players in, we might not really know the teams direction until the start of next season. By then he will have had time to make the changes he thinks are needed.

 

[Redditch Fox]

Wouldn't call Peltier, Bamba, Schmeichel, Nugent, St Leger or Danns 'name players', by any measure

Konchesky, Fernandes and Mills had a slightly higher profile, but still don't fit that tag

The only one, arguably, that might be seen as such is Beckford - but he was certainly not Sven's first choice, and hardly a genuine 'name'

The problem with Sven is that, despite the hype, he actually failed to bring in any 'name' players at all, but more the lower key (and very average) players that would fit the supposed approach ascribed to Pearson and Walsh. Had he actually done what he is accused of, we probably wouldn't be in the mess we are now

Sven wanted to sign 'name' players - e.g. the Beckham, Keane enquiries. I tend to think that it wouldn't have worked out had he been successful. But who knows. Anyway that's all done & dusted and its the long haul forward that matters.

 

[Micky]

Wouldn't call Peltier, Bamba, Schmeichel, Nugent, St Leger or Danns 'name players', by any measure

Konchesky, Fernandes and Mills had a slightly higher profile, but still don't fit that tag

The only one, arguably, that might be seen as such is Beckford - but he was certainly not Sven's first choice, and hardly a genuine 'name'

The problem with Sven is that, despite the hype, he actually failed to bring in any 'name' players at all, but more the lower key (and very average) players that would fit the supposed approach ascribed to Pearson and Walsh. Had he actually done what he is accused of, we probably wouldn't be in the mess we are now

I agree with your point to an extent but I think the players mentioned are largely established professionals, whereas Pearson has tended to target more inexperienced players with points to prove, such as Fryatt, Hobbs, Morrison, Waghorn, Spearing, Davies and Cleverley.

 

[Hazzman]

more the lower key (and very average) players that would fit the supposed approach ascribed to Pearson and Walsh.

You are discounting attitude within that. That's the difference between Sven and Pearson/Walsh. The successful signings this year are mostly hungry youngsters or players with a point to prove. I get the feeling Pearson/Walsh do far more work into signings than judging them on ability, ie. fitting in the current side and having the right work ethic.