Questions for the Foxes Trust

[Jeff]

On a wider issue, the irritating feature of the FT is its pretence to articulate the views of fans when it is just the mouthpiece if a handful of anoraks. The damaging advice given to Mandaric re. the possible appointment of Warnock is one example.

What they told Mandaric about Warnock is what the vast majority of Leicester fans were saying at the time, so they were putting across the views of most fans, not just the views of a few 'anoraks'. Whether the fans were right or wrong doesn't come into it, they were just passing on what most fans thought of Warnock. It's Mandaric's choice whether to take any notice of the fans on something like this. The fact that he appointed Megson - another one the fans were against, suggests he'll get who he wants and not take notice of the fans anyway.

 

[Redditch Fox]

What they told Mandaric about Warnock is what the vast majority of Leicester fans were saying at the time, so they were putting across the views of most fans, not just the views of a few 'anoraks'. Whether the fans were right or wrong doesn't come into it, they were just passing on what most fans thought of Warnock. It's Mandaric's choice whether to take any notice of the fans on something like this. The fact that he appointed Megson - another one the fans were against, suggests he'll get who he wants and not take notice of the fans anyway.

I don't know where you get your evidence for this claim. I'm not aware of any mass referendum on the matter. In terms of the prospects of grinding out iimproved results and knocking some reality into the squad, Warnock looked an outstanding candidate and in my opinion being in anyway influenced by stupid people who bore a grudge over the administration saga is just sinking to the lowest possible denominator.

On Megson: I rather suspect that by that stage, Mandaric was finding it tough to recruit anyone of substance and Megson (who was doing voluntary coaching at Stoke) and his agent suddenly appeared on his radar. So I think it's more a case these days that he will appoint someone from a relatively small band who are prepared to take on a severely difficult job rather than have the luxury of a wide number of promising choices.

 

[Jeff]

I don't know where you get your evidence for this claim.

You must have missed the polls and posts about him here and elsewhere then. Or do you consider people on the internet not to be representative?

 

[Redditch Fox]

You must have missed the polls and posts about him here and elsewhere then. Or do you consider people on the internet not to be representative?

No, I haven't missed those and obviously they indicate a definite antagonism towards Warnock by a significant number of supporters. I wouldn't know whether these are representative but I do know that the reasons given were mainly puerile.

What I do understand is something called 'leadership'. I think Mandaric should have provided that and appointed the best available candidate.

I suspect- but of course I can't prove - that if the mass of supporters were now asked the question "would it have been better to appoint Warnock to manage Leicester City" then I also suspect that the majority would say "Yes".

 

[Si Nick]

I suspect- but of course I can't prove - that if the mass of supporters were now asked the question "would it have been better to appoint Warnock to manage Leicester City" then I also suspect that the majority would say "Yes".

and you were complaining about Jeff & the Trust having no basis for claims.....

Reality doesn't work with hindsight, decisions have to be taken at a point in time & I would say both Jeff and the Trust were correct at the time believing most fans were against Warnock, (think the Trust consulted their members from memory).

 

[bocadillo]

What they told Mandaric about Warnock is what the vast majority of Leicester fans were saying at the time, so they were putting across the views of most fans, not just the views of a few 'anoraks'. Whether the fans were right or wrong doesn't come into it, they were just passing on what most fans thought of Warnock. It's Mandaric's choice whether to take any notice of the fans on something like this. The fact that he appointed Megson - another one the fans were against, suggests he'll get who he wants and not take notice of the fans anyway.

What they told Mandaric about Warnock is what the vast majority of gobby Leicester fans were saying at the time - there was no proper survey of opinion - and even if there had been it is unlikely that it would have been representative of 100% of the fans' opinions.

Yes - it is MM's final decision on everything. But I can tell you that he was most surprised by the fans' reaction to his appointment of Megson. I wonder why the FT didn't warn him what that would be.

 

[bocadillo]

... do you consider people on the internet not to be representative?

They are representative only of people who respond to surveys and polls on the internet.

 

[Foxes_Trust]

What they told Mandaric about Warnock is what the vast majority of gobby Leicester fans were saying at the time - there was no proper survey of opinion - and even if there had been it is unlikely that it would have been representative of 100% of the fans' opinions.

Yes - it is MM's final decision on everything. But I can tell you that he was most surprised by the fans' reaction to his appointment of Megson. I wonder why the FT didn't warn him what that would be.

We wouldn't say Trust members were particularly "gobby" but a clear majority named Warnock as the one manager they wouldn't want when we carried out a survey. It was a very clear message from our members, hence why we informed the club.

No other candidate was close in the "manager we don't want" nominations, so we had no clear mandate to state against Megson

 

[bocadillo]

We wouldn't say Trust members were particularly "gobby" but a clear majority named Warnock as the one manager they wouldn't want when we carried out a survey. It was a very clear message from our members, hence why we informed the club.

No other candidate was close in the "manager we don't want" nominations, so we had no clear mandate to state against Megson

I think you mean a clear majority of those who responded etc etc. Only if you got that reply from a clear majority of your total membership should you claim that it was a clear message from your members.

But that is by-the-by and now so far in the past. With the benefit of hindsight and looking at the relative progress of Leicester City and that of the club that was brave enough to employ NW, would you now agree with me that the advice given to MM on this matter was not wise counsel and that the clear majority of the fans that responded didn't know what they were talking about?

 

[Jeff]

I think you mean a clear majority of those who responded etc etc. Only if you got that reply from a clear majority of your total membership should you claim that it was a clear message from your members.

But that is by-the-by and now so far in the past. With the benefit of hindsight and looking at the relative progress of Leicester City and that of the club that was brave enough to employ NW, would you now agree with me that the advice given to MM on this matter was not wise counsel and that the clear majority of the fans that responded didn't know what they were talking about?

Who knows what would have happened it Warnock had come here?

We could be in an even worse position than we are now, or we could be in the play-offs.

In a poll on this site 60% of people who voted said they "would not accept" Warnock as manager. That was at the end of last season, so maybe they meant they wouldn't buy season tickets etc. Although I'm sure most people would have continued to go and just moaned about it, it would have put extra pressure on the manager to get immediate results.


My own opinion is that Warnock is over-rated and wastes a lot of money on rubbish players. So he's just like most of our recent managers, but more obnoxious.

 

[Foxes_Trust]

I think you mean a clear majority of those who responded etc etc. Only if you got that reply from a clear majority of your total membership should you claim that it was a clear message from your members.

But that is by-the-by and now so far in the past. With the benefit of hindsight and looking at the relative progress of Leicester City and that of the club that was brave enough to employ NW, would you now agree with me that the advice given to MM on this matter was not wise counsel and that the clear majority of the fans that responded didn't know what they were talking about?

Yes it would obviously from those who responded, there was a deadline set on the survey & we can draw conclusions from those who make the effort to reply, but it was a significant % of our membership to be valid.

We haven't re-surveyed members, so have no mandate to agree with you or not in hindsight, so like you, only a personal viewpoint can be offered, hence not under the FT log in

 

[bocadillo]

My own opinion is that Warnock is over-rated and wastes a lot of money on rubbish players. So he's just like most of our recent managers, but more obnoxious

... and apparently more successful.


Jeff - I do agree with most of what you say - but it does not negate my point that all surveys and polls ignore the opinion of the silent majority. The best advice does not always come from those who make their voices heard.

 

[Isopen]

But that is by-the-by and now so far in the past. With the benefit of hindsight and looking at the relative progress of Leicester City and that of the club that was brave enough to employ NW, would you now agree with me that the advice given to MM on this matter was not wise counsel and that the clear majority of the fans that responded didn't know what they were talking about?

So personally, no I still don't agree with you.

Wrong appointment in the summer, but that doesn't make Warnock the right one.

It comes down to several factors, starting with who was responsible for all those transfers in the summer & if MA2 only accepted the advice of those with more contacts abroad - is it right he should be solely blamed for that transfer activity.

Would Warnock have agreed to the same transfers? - we don't know, but perhaps if he wouldn't have been willing, he may have not got the job in the first place.

 

[Redditch Fox]

My own opinion is that Warnock is over-rated and wastes a lot of money on rubbish players. So he's just like most of our recent managers, but more obnoxious.

Yes - but other than some sheer spite what other problems do you have with Warnock.

Has he run off with your woman or something?

 

[foxxhunter]

will the foxes trust be doing anything about the fact that alot of fans are pissed of about whats goin to be a season ticket price rise and that load of bollocks leaflet that the club put out.or is the five a side tournement your arranging much more important?

 

[Jeff]

Yes - but other than some sheer spite what other problems do you have with Warnock.

Not sheer spite, he's over rated, wastes money, and always blames other people for his failures. Do you think they are good attributes for a manager?

 

[Redditch Fox]

Not sheer spite, he's over rated, wastes money, and always blames other people for his failures. Do you think they are good attributes for a manager?

Sounds like a football manager to me!

I have never seen him as a Matt Busby, Bill Shankley, Fergie nor even a Martin O'Neill - but he has got something about him and I think it's unlikely that he would have put up with the sloppiness which pertains down at The Walkers. In his own way, Warnock is taken fairly seriously; Holloway appears to be a funny bloke who it's difficult to take at all seriously.

Only an opinion of course.

 

[Foxes_Trust]

will the foxes trust be doing anything about the fact that alot of fans are pissed of about whats goin to be a season ticket price rise and that load of bollocks leaflet that the club put out.or is the five a side tournement your arranging much more important?

Read our website articles this week and then you can answer your own question

 

[Disco Bob]

In a poll on this site 60% of people who voted said they "would not accept" Warnock as manager.

I would like to see all people having to pass a Melton test before being allowed to vote in polls. If he reckons they can vote then I'm happy for their vote to be cited, until then I'm going to write off all such results as the sad by-product of crop spraying.

 

[Real Sharapova]

I would like to see all people having to pass a Melton test before being allowed to vote in polls. If he reckons they can vote then I'm happy for their vote to be cited, until then I'm going to write off all such results as the sad by-product of spunk spraying.

Succinctly put, DB. Wise words indeed.:icon_wink