Robert Enke...

[Jeff]

When someone is in a state of mind where they think the only way out is to commit suicide they're unlikely to be thinking rationally, and they may believe that the people they leave behind will be better off without them.

 

[Boy Genius]

I hope you realise now that this was a ridiculous comment and one which has not been thought through. Why don't people think before they post such rubbish?

Here we go Bobbins! Knocking another persons post, opinions are opinions or don't you realise this. Read Bocs post carefully and maybe you will understand the situation it leaves a lot of people in. His problems have now gone but the problems he leaves behind to his family are also now compounded greatly. Insurance will not pay out on suicide for a start.
Who have you got the sympathy for now? Who deserves it more?


Maybe you will now think before attacking another poster.

 

[bocadillo]

I agree with most of what you say - But sympathetic to who?...The only people left to be sympathetic towards are family, friends and loved ones and why would you not be sympathetic towards them?

Who ever said it was the 'easy way out'? I hear the phrase thrown around all the time by people when talking about suicide but how is it easy?

I appreciate that you're maybe playing devils advocate here and take your comments on board but I honestly think that we shouldn't judge all acts the to be the same without knowing everything involved.

City Fan was very clear in what he said - he has no sympathy for people who take their own lives, but he has sympathy for the family. That's not really so different from what you write in your first paragraph.

And as for the 'easy way out' - I'm sure it's not easy to take your own life - but it does seem that it must be easier than the alternative. Why else would people do it?

I did start out thinking I was playing devil's advocate but the more I wrote, the more I realised that I was actually writing what I believed - particularly in relation to the people who involve unwilling agents in their act. No, no - in relation to every suicide - it's their mess, either literally or metaphorically, and they leave others to clean it up.

 

[Lako42]

No sympathy for people who take their own lives. Whatever has happened to him in the past, he has just taken the coward's way out.

Im not going to take you apart for this, however, It is so easy for someone to say something like this untill it happens within your family, you should never pretend to realise the sitiuation that some people are put in, the fact is you have absolutely no idea what makes people do this, they obviously have been pushed to such a point they are not even thinking in the same way they have for their entire life.

Im not going to go into specifics but this has been one of the most difficult years of my life, my grandad took his own life in Feb because he could not live without my grandma who died in December last year, I will never pretend to know what it feels like to lose the person who made you want to be on this earth for the past 50 years, even though I felt let down at the time, it's not something I can understand because I have not been in that position.

His love for his wife was simply too strong, and I would argue all night long with anyone who called him a coward for it.

 

[alex]

Feck me, what's all the judgement about? Suddenly we're analysing whether or not to sympathise with a dead man/his family? What the feck?

Read some Jung, Goethe etc about it all in your spare time perhaps? Is suicide the true last statement of the ego?

Opinions are what makes forums, however they are tiring to read sometimes. Really.

 

[Bobbins]

When someone is in a state of mind where they think the only way out is to commit suicide they're unlikely to be thinking rationally, and they may believe that the people they leave behind will be better off without them.

Agree totally - although didn't put it across very well I admit.

Here we go Bobbins! Knocking another persons post, opinions are opinions or don't you realise this. Read Bocs post carefully and maybe you will understand the situation it leaves a lot of people in. His problems have now gone but the problems he leaves behind to his family are also now compounded greatly. Insurance will not pay out on suicide for a start.
Who have you got the sympathy for now? Who deserves it more?


Maybe you will now think before attacking another poster.

What are you on about? Whose posts have I knocked before and even if I have whats wrong with that? I did read Bocs post and do understand thanks. That wasn't my point. I still have sympathy for all concerned.

I think it's a bit strong to say 'attacking another poster' but it's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Also a bit rich coming from you!

City Fan was very clear in what he said - he has no sympathy for people who take their own lives, but he has sympathy for the family. That's not really so different from what you write in your first paragraph..

You're right and to be fair I was only reading his first post when I commented. Lesson learned!!

And as for the 'easy way out' - I'm sure it's not easy to take your own life - but it does seem that it must be easier than the alternative. Why else would people do it?

I did start out thinking I was playing devil's advocate but the more I wrote, the more I realised that I was actually writing what I believed - particularly in relation to the people who involve unwilling agents in their act. No, no - in relation to every suicide - it's their mess, either literally or metaphorically, and they leave others to clean it up.

On this I think we'll agree to disagree...

 

[RHYDAL]

On a brighter note, the guy was a steam enthusiast and it was a steam loco that got him.
He was chuffed to bits.

 

[bocadillo]

On this I think we'll agree to disagree...

I hope you don't mean the whole of 'this' and I hope you will reply to confirm or otherwise. Surely you agree with me that it can never be acceptable to involve an unwilling third-party in the actual taking of your own life?

 

[fcukcov]

Only on talkingballs.....

 

[Darth Vodka]

David James tried to kill himself at the same time

leaves on the line though, still waiting for the 16:14 from Portsmouth to London

 

[Bobbins]

I hope you don't mean the whole of 'this' and I hope you will reply to confirm or otherw*s*. Surely you agree with me that it can never be acceptable to involve an unwilling third-party in the actual taking of your own life?

Yep - Sorry of course it isn't right to involve an unwilling third party!

 

[Hazzman]

I know about his daughter dying, which is obviously an absolutely devastating thing to happen to anyone, but he'd just adopted a child with his wife, which makes his suicide a bit difficult to understand.

But I agree, it's easy to call someone who has killed themselves a coward, but you can't get into the mindset of that person.

He was returning from a stomach illness and the rumours in Germany were that it was a cancer scare.

 

[H T B]

He was returning from a stomach illness and the rumours in Germany were that it was a cancer scare.

Well, if you listen to rumours.......:icon_roll.

If he had life insurance, would suicide be covered, if not his family are doubly fecked!

 

[MKFox]

David James tried to kill himself at the same time

leaves on the line though, still waiting for the 16:14 from Portsmouth to London

Are you sure he didn't miss it after nearly getting there and flapping?

 

[lazzer]

I remember this bloke losing all his money at the casino. Walked down to the track and threw himself in front of an oncoming train. I still cant believe the fecking train went under him.

 

[Yorkshire Vixen]

police now confirm that there was a suicide letter

http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMT...91111/tts-uk-soccer-germany-enke-ca02f96.html

 

[SJN-Fox]

Gabriele Marcotti quoted in The Times ...

There isn't much I can add to this story.

Thoughts and prayers go to Robert Enke's friends and family. And, with them, the hope that football learns something. Compared to other employees, footballers are scrutinized, tested and observed more than any other worker. One can only hope that enough attention is paid to their mental state as well. It may not have made a difference in Enke's case, it may make a difference to somebody else down the line.

 

[four king power]

My Grandad listened to the article, mumbled something about one less German and walked off :icon_lol:

 

[Matt_B]

Well, if you listen to rumours.......:icon_roll.

If he had life insurance, would suicide be covered, if not his family are doubly fecked!

Depends on the insurance. Someone I know killed himself and was in the process of getting new life insurance, cancelled his original and had not got round to signing the new ones when he did it. Both would have covered him as well.

 

[bocadillo]

Most insurance companies have a 'suicide clause' on their life insurance policies which means that payment will not be made on suicide deaths if the policy has not been in place for at least two years. In some cases the 'qualifying period' is just one year and in a few it is five years.