Sheff Weds post-match thread

[NN Fox]

I am very grateful to Rob for the job he did last year. It really was a great job that he did, but....


It won't count for shit if we end up relegated this season instead. I really hope and wish Rob every success, but I don't think that will be with us.

Sorry to Rob, but we have gone backwards. I loved it when he came in and made it clear that it wasn't a complicated game. He simplified and it had a great effect on the players who responded. However we never saw RK operate in adversity until this season and unfortunately we seem to be finding that he doesn't have a plan B when things go wrong. I also wonder how much of our former success was down to Ray Graydon.

Wholeheartedly agree with you Silver. For someone who is supposed to be a good coach, one who many people seem to want to stay on as coach if MM brings in a new manager, it is hard to see what this coaching talent has produced. Most if not all of the players have failed to improve, attitude and team spirit seem to have disappeared and any idea of tactics, game plan and playing to your strengths seem to have gone out of the window.

'Hard work on the training ground' is not in itself enough. The work has to be structured and productive. Does anybody really want to claim that Burnley, Plymouth and Colchester have players who are inherently more talented than those at LCFC. I don't believe that they are, I think that they are just better led. Leadership, however, comes from the top. It is not just RK who has proved inadequate in this department. The board, who did a great job after the administration fiasco, have also failed to show the sort of drive and ambition needed to take the club forward.

I am yet to be convinced that MM has the future of LCFC close to his heart but could he possibly be worse than the shambles that we have at the moment? The sooner the takeover goes through the better and I hope that he already knows the management team that he wants to bring in.

 

[NN Fox]

I would bring in Matt Holland!

I think we could probably get him in for not too much money, he is in good shape, is experienced, and could do a good job for us at this level.

Excellent shout, but I think that Charlton would be mad to let him go considering their position.

 

[highland fox]

Holland would be excellent, having said that, any fecker would be better than what we have.

Holland is a virtual Regular in the Charlton side nowadays

 

[Brown Nose]

Awful result but it was actually an even game. Nothing between the sides apart from 3 wonder strikes and a crappy ref. Stowell made an arse of himself once again. RK remained dignified and was fair enough in his comments after the game. Problem is, he's no manager and is in the way once we get a few quid.

Mandaric, Dowie and about 12 months and all this will seem like a bad dream.

 

[Siouxsie]

Awful result but it was actually an even game. Nothing between the sides apart from 3 wonder strikes and a crappy ref. Stowell made an arse of himself once again. RK remained dignified and was fair enough in his comments after the game. Problem is, he's no manager and is in the way once we get a few quid.

Mandaric, Dowie and about 12 months and all this will seem like a bad dream.

The first half was quite even, in fact I thought we were marginally less rubbish than they were, until the goal. It was still truly awful though.

I can't even bring myself to comment on the 2nd half.

I seriously think those South Africans at half-time stuck more chance of scoring than we did.

 

[PFKAKTF FOX]

Wholeheartedly agree with you Silver. For someone who is supposed to be a good coach, one who many people seem to want to stay on as coach if MM brings in a new manager, it is hard to see what this coaching talent has produced. Most if not all of the players have failed to improve, attitude and team spirit seem to have disappeared and any idea of tactics, game plan and playing to your strengths seem to have gone out of the window.

'Hard work on the training ground' is not in itself enough. The work has to be structured and productive. Does anybody really want to claim that Burnley, Plymouth and Colchester have players who are inherently more talented than those at LCFC. I don't believe that they are, I think that they are just better led. Leadership, however, comes from the top. It is not just RK who has proved inadequate in this department. The board, who did a great job after the administration fiasco, have also failed to show the sort of drive and ambition needed to take the club forward.

I am yet to be convinced that MM has the future of LCFC close to his heart but could he possibly be worse than the shambles that we have at the moment? The sooner the takeover goes through the better and I hope that he already knows the management team that he wants to bring in.

Great post, the sooner Kelly walks the better IMO, it was obvious from the first game of the season that things were not right within the camp and one half decent run of results merely papered over the cracks. We are in deep shit and we need a manager who can come in and without any loyalty or past history, remember Kelly has moved from Assistant Manager so it was never a fresh start, and make the ruthless decisions that Kelly has been so sadly lacking in making.

 

[newtonfox]

Great post, the sooner Kelly walks the better IMO, it was obvious from the first game of the season that things were not right within the camp and one half decent run of results merely papered over the cracks. We are in deep shit and we need a manager who can come in and without any loyalty or past history, remember Kelly has moved from Assistant Manager so it was never a fresh start, and make the ruthless decisions that Kelly has been so sadly lacking in making.

i know as football coach that i could not (if offered) be the manger of the same side i was coaching due to the fact that its 2 differnat positions with in a club as a coach your are one of the lads but as manger your not if you get what i mean and this is the prob RK and MS are having they are just too nice .

as a manger no one should like you in a way its like a boss and his workers and thats the way it should be

 

[beaumontfox]

That's the problem Newts..some of the players don't like him!

 

[Bilborough Fox]

Would have been 0-0 or maybe 1-0 without the ref. Penalty was for high feet, but the foot was there long before the opposing head, good assist for styles for thier 2nd. We only scored because he wouldnt get out of the way of hughes, the wayward shot resulted in the deflection. Other than that the game was dead. Not sure about McCarthys 2nd yellow but it looked harsh, his 1st was shocking. He told maybury to stay back to let him chat to the ref then got booked, the captains should be allowed to speak to him IMO.

Well done Styles, hope you end up back in the prem with Uriah, Mike Riley, Graham Poll and that twat Clattenmole!!!

Well said. They were not in the game till the ref stepped in. The first booking of McCarthy was out of order, he was the skipper and is therefore in order to ask the ref about his decision. Unfortunately his second was silly although there player made it look worse than it was. Dissappointing thing is that for the last 2 weeks we have had a premiership ref and on both occassions they were the ones that wanted to be noticed and both times they succeeded. It was also sods law that the ref deflected a clearance straight to their player for the second goal which at the time killed the game even though we managed to pull one back.

 

[Bilborough Fox]

He put his left arm over the geezers left shoulder and grabbed the front of his shirt from behind

No he never , he clipped his legs from behind. Agreed it was prebably a yellow card though.

 

[Bilborough Fox]

He put his left arm over the geezers left shoulder and grabbed the front of his shirt from behind

He didn't touch his shirt, he just clipped his feet from behind. Probably a yellow though anyway.

 

[newtonfox]

That's the problem Newts..some of the players don't like him!

but not in the way i meant mate ive read the pm

ive got a behind close door game with city just after exmas ill see what i can find out

 

[Bilborough Fox]

Had a lot of flack from Wed supporting mates this morning. The one thing they all seemed to conceed was that they were lucky to be in the match at half time and it was thanks to the ref that they were in front. Lot suggested even that they were worried about holding on to a 2-0 lead even even though we were down to 10 men. Had to give credit for the screamers they scored but the match had gone by then.

 

[Melton Fox]

He didn't touch his shirt, he just clipped his feet from behind. Probably a yellow though anyway.

I beg to differ, if you watch the replay carefully, his left arm comes under the players left arm pit and around his front. I originally thought his arm went over his shoulder, but it doesn't, it comes under

 

[Melton Fox]

Never in a million years was it a penalty though, Styles fecked up big time on that

 

[Tamworth Fox]

I thought we were in control before the penalty. Levi put some good balls in on the left he and Tiatto worked well in the first half.

Then we lost our heads a little, disappointed we didnt close down the players, still think its Styles fault we lost the match regardless of the score line, he sent Paddy off which i dont think deserved a red more like 1 more foul and a yellow and the penalty, yet again lose thanks to a referee. I know this might seem like an excuse that we lost because we were rubbish again but so were they!!! Clattenberg gave well 2 silly penaltys away vs Villa now we had Styles who was a disgrace, 2 premiership referee's w@nkers!!

 

[western road]

Forget yesterday you dont see 30yarders flying into the net many times in a season nevermind one match.

Look backwards to the end of last season we were playing shite then first game this season Luton away shilo again and how many times has it happened since, in more than a 60 odd years I've been watching us, and I cant remember watching a more dis-interested, dis-organised clueless rabble, what they do at the training ground beggars belief, coz they cant be doing much.

Even the Pleat / Mclintock times there was a hint of a policy
of the way they wanted teams to play and we were ****ing awful in those times, so how do we rate this lot when even the most robust of swearwords cannot describe your feelings

 

[drew]

It wasn't a fecking corner let alone a penalty. The boyish looking linesman didn't have a clue and it really annoyed me to see Styles laughing away as they were chatting on their headsets.

 

[fosseman]

Forget yesterday you dont see 30yarders flying into the net many times in a season nevermind one match.

Look backwards to the end of last season we were playing shite then first game this season Luton away shilo again and how many times has it happened since, in more than a 60 odd years I've been watching us, and I cant remember watching a more dis-interested, dis-organised clueless rabble, what they do at the training ground beggars belief, coz they cant be doing much.

Even the Pleat / Mclintock times there was a hint of a policy
of the way they wanted teams to play and we were ****ing awful in those times, so how do we rate this lot when even the most robust of swearwords cannot describe your feelings

The McLintock team was the worst City side. Even though they were in Division 1 their ability, workrate and thought-processes were totally dreadful. The current team is not motivated and has become afraid to play. Either way, Kelly will soon go the way of McLintock.

 

[highland fox]

That's the problem Newts..some of the players don't like him!

That doesn't worry me unduly,I don't think a Manager has to be liked but he should be respected...and I don't think RK is.Some of the players down there need a good bollocking and told that they aren't as wonderful as they think are...who could do that ? I think we could do a lot worse than Dowie I think he'd sort someof the egos out for a start.