Shooting in Tucson

[Steven]

That's not really the same thing, is it?

You will have to explain that one to me. The IRA kill people and by their logic they will get what they want?

 

[RHYDAL]

Err no, the duck was already dead.

Didn't realise she was shooting at live targets in this picture.

My bad.:icon_roll

 

[drummindefender]

So why did they not go into a crowded cinema and shoot that up. Surely if they are insane and just want to kill someone then this would be the easiest way to do it?

You are not looking at what is in front of you. A politician is the main target.

I do not know what the motivation is and is most likely not connected to anything other than US domestic issues.

So your actually admitting that there is no connection between the two things except in your head? Nobody knows why they did what they did, so unlike you, I'm not going to speculate.

 

[bocadillo]

And Boc- his English is better than mine!!

You're not going to get me to comment on that!
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You and he can both make yourselves perfectly understood. It's just unfortunate that in this one case, he made a slip.

Everyone is entitled to their views but imo Steven the way you worded your views on this certainly makes you look a bit of a twat.

No offence like.

 

[Steven]

So your actually admitting that there is no connection between the two things except in your head? Nobody knows why they did what they did, so unlike you, I'm not going to speculate.

You seem to have a short attention span so I will help you out.

http://talkingballs.co.uk/showpost.php?p=996108&postcount=42

 

[Blue Maniac]

You will have to explain that one to me. The IRA kill people and by their logic they will get what they want?

Terrorist/extremist 'logic' is very different from normal logic. You're either being deliberately obtuse, or you genuinely think that an extremist's logic is calculable or explainable.

 

[Steven]

Terrorist/extremist 'logic' is very different from normal logic. You're either being deliberately obtuse, or you genuinely think that an extremist's logic is calculable or explainable.

Naturally. If that were not true then there would be no need for intelligence services as they could never defeat an enemy, except by luck. Extremists like everyone else follow the same patterns, the same logic.

 

[Steven]

And deleting your post with its reference from the bible which seemed to give some justification for this massacre, whilst leaving Desert's reaction to it makes you look, quite frankly, a ****. It's a pity that only the moderators can see what a **** you are.

Breach of Rule 4.

 

[drummindefender]

I don't really get where your coming from any more. Apart from possibly admitting you are talking shit

 

[RHYDAL]

Terrorist/extremist 'logic' is very different from normal logic. You're either being deliberately obtuse, or you genuinely think that an extremist's logic is calculable or explainable.

There's an expression from the film True Grit which I think applies here......
"What have you achieved when you've bested a fool?"

 

[Blue Maniac]

Naturally. If that were not true then there would be no need for intelligence services as they could never defeat an enemy, except by luck. Extremists like everyone else follow the same patterns, the same logic.

Extremists are, by definition, irrational. To suggest everything they do is considered on a logical level is, at best, debatable.

 

[Steven]

I don't really get where your coming from any more. Apart from possibly admitting you are talking shit

I have to go out, so let me summarise.

Firstly the coverage is unbalanced already as per post No 42.

Secondly I do not condone violence so from a personal perspective she has my sympathy (I am sure that will cheer her up no end).

Thirdly the motivation is unknown but may be linked to Sarah Palin or to other US domestic issues or even possibly international issues. The lone crazy gunman theory smacks too much of the magic bullet theory.

Fourthly the fact that a politician has been targeted does not mean that I have sympathy for politicians that are targeted. Politicians too often do not accept responsibility for there actions domestically or internationally. That said I will repeat once again that I do not condone violence and that non violent methods of targeting politicians are preferred. However I fear that many people will say what else can they do as they have no power in their lives except by using a gun.

Lastly what role did Sarah Palin play in this shooting? After all she was the one that put Gabrielle Giffords in her crosshairs. The logic will be that if politicians can do that to other politicians then some less intellectually gifted person will feel that is ok for them to target that politician as well.

In conclusion I wish no harm to Gabrielle Giffords but I have no sympathy for politicians in general.

 

[Siouxsie]

Lastly what role did Sarah Palin play in this shooting? After all she was the one that put Gabrielle Giffords in her crosshairs. The logic will be that if politicians can do that to other politicians then some less intellectually gifted person will feel that is ok for them to target that politician as well.

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I don't agree with much you have written in this discusssion but I have to say that I was shocked when I heard about Sarah Palin's campaign. You would have though someone would have pointed out how distasteful and misguided it was, and that some lunatic out there could take it at face value.

 

[Cate Fox]

I am truly stunned by your posts Steven.

Total and utter bollocks.

 

[Cate Fox]

I don't agree with much you have written in this discusssion but I have to say that I was shocked when I heard about Sarah Palin's campaign. You would have though someone would have pointed out how distasteful and misguided it was, and that some lunatic out there could take it at face value.

She doesnt come across as the sharpest tool in the box to me...

 

[Durham Fox]

I have reinstated all my deleted posts for the sake of balance and fairness.

To suggest that my posts "are some of the most disgusting I've ever seen" is laughable and only reflects on an unthinking mind.

I do not expect everyone to agree with me but I am not in a popularity contest.

Nice quoting, you left the last 2 words off to make it fit your agenda.

So let me get this right, because you find someone saying they held no feeling for a woman being shot in the head at point blank range disgusting, they have an 'unthinking mind'? I'd suggest the only person not thinking Steven is you and I think you realised that and deleted your posts.

When you were called on it you've reinstated them in some vain attempt to save face.

You failed.

You're a ****.

 

[Swissfox]

Sarah Palin is Paris Hilton's political twin.

 

[Durham Fox]

NB I've deleted the awful picture you posted in post 13 at the request of forum members.

 

[Leesoh]

Just out of interest, Steven, how does one go about changing the political environment without going into politics itself? Surely if somebody disagrees with Government policy, then the best place to tackle it is from within, isn't it?

Or is just to go and shoot one of the MoFos in the head?

 

[Siouxsie]

Feelings are obviously running high but can we leave off the worst of the personal abuse. It is against forums rules. I appreciate that the worst offenders are some of the mods :icon_roll