Graz
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Not sure if this a whoosh, but pretty sure it's Glasgow Rangers not QPR...
Glasgow or Stoke? Not sure I'd fancy either.
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Glasgow or Stoke? Not sure I'd fancy either.
londonfox
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I think Ted knows it’s not QPR
Brown Nose
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I don't care how many passes we make or wins we get playing that way, if we get rid of Souttar and keep Vestergaard it is batshit crazy incompetence of the highest order.
Souttar is every bit as good as Vestergaard with the ball at his feet. He's also a much better defender with a good attitude and a long term contract with good Championship experience. Vestergaard is just dreadful.
If it's a reasonable call for the benefit of the club going forward, I'll back EM and his preferences. However, this is never, ever, going to work out.
Souttar is every bit as good as Vestergaard with the ball at his feet. He's also a much better defender with a good attitude and a long term contract with good Championship experience. Vestergaard is just dreadful.
If it's a reasonable call for the benefit of the club going forward, I'll back EM and his preferences. However, this is never, ever, going to work out.
popillius
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I still think he's a very good defender. He was great at Stoke and looked better than all of our other CBs last season. It's a shame but Maresca seems to be building something and so he gets the benefit of the doubt on this one.
tedfoxxx
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I know, what I mean to say is at the stage of his career, had he stayed at Stoke, playing every week in the Champ would probably be better than playing in Scotland.
Micky
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Is there a chance that Souttar is not the right character?
Is there also a chance that he actually isn't as good with the ball at his feet as we think? Don't get me wrong, I know he has a reputation for great long range passing but what is he like with the ball at his feet when he has to make 100 passes a game. Is he going to keep possession 93% of the time and is he going to pick the correct pass more often than not?
I too do not feel happy with Jannik but there has to be some good solid reasoning behind Souttar's omission from the squad.
Brown Nose
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Blue Maniac
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He seems very open about what he believes the shortcomings of certain individuals are. Interesting to see.
Robin127
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And by doing that he sets himself up as the one to blame if things don't work out with the players he wants playing, quite an enlightening approach.
popillius
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I agree. I've never thought Vestergaard was total shit, he just never fit into what we were trying to do. This season I think he's done okay. He's very good with his feet and his passing is excellent. Okay, he's an oak tree and he can't chase back but I think he's done pretty well. Is he better than Souttar? I don't know. He is better with his feet and his passing is better but Souttar is a more versatile and mobile defender.
TornadoShaunUK
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From what we've seen, I don't particularly rate Souttar so wouldn't be bothered if we got rid. I seem to be in the minority. The fact he's already surplus to requirements along with Kristiansen is a ****ing joke though. I'd like to know how much of the blame our scouting department should take for the last few windows or was it purely about giving far too much power in recruitment to an absolute twonk (I.e. Bodger Rodgers)
Re: Vestergaard, I can see why Marseca likes him. He is composed on the ball, a very good passer and clearly he rates his understanding of the game but the last part of the quote above really doesn't cut it for me.
Vestergaard is a liability in a high back line, clearly Maresca realises this as he alludes to it as his major weakness in that quote but to say 'it is what it is' doesn't cut it. Maybe there is a good player in there and he'd be OK in a system that sits a little deeper where he gets more protection from the midfield and the fullbacks aren't expected to get forward. It also doesn't help his cause that Wout Faes is not exactly a spring chicken to cover for him.
Re: Vestergaard, I can see why Marseca likes him. He is composed on the ball, a very good passer and clearly he rates his understanding of the game but the last part of the quote above really doesn't cut it for me.
Vestergaard is a liability in a high back line, clearly Maresca realises this as he alludes to it as his major weakness in that quote but to say 'it is what it is' doesn't cut it. Maybe there is a good player in there and he'd be OK in a system that sits a little deeper where he gets more protection from the midfield and the fullbacks aren't expected to get forward. It also doesn't help his cause that Wout Faes is not exactly a spring chicken to cover for him.
Micky
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It's great to hear.
londonfox
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He hasn't shown that he is every bit as good as Vestergard with the ball at his feet thus far during his time at Leicester. Did you watch him regularly at Stoke?
How do you know he has a good attitude? How do you know Vestegaard has had a bad attitude since Maresca joined us (no, you didn't say he has but that's what I infer from your comment)?
londonfox
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You are but I'm right there with you.
Graz
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I'm disappointed to see Souttar go, because I thought he looked decent at times last season. But there's clearly a reason he's been out of favour very quickly with 3 managers in his short time here.
At the end of the day, I still can't really say I care about any of them. None of them have earned it yet.
Probably the only players I'd actually be disappointed to see leave would be Nacho and Ricardo. Vardy for nostalgic reasons. The rest, I'm really not bothered about again yet.
At the end of the day, I still can't really say I care about any of them. None of them have earned it yet.
Probably the only players I'd actually be disappointed to see leave would be Nacho and Ricardo. Vardy for nostalgic reasons. The rest, I'm really not bothered about again yet.
Robin127
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I'd add Justin to that list.
Graz
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Good point, he'd be on my list too.
pork pie fox
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I think Glasgow is a great city. Yes, it’s got some shit areas, but the city is a cracking place to go to. Stoke is a dump.
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Championship
| P | Pld | Pts | |
| 1 | Blackburn | 0 | 0 |
| 2 | Bristol City | 0 | 0 |
| 3 | Burnley | 0 | 0 |
| 4 | Cardiff City | 0 | 0 |
| 5 | Coventry City | 0 | 0 |
| 6 | Derby | 0 | 0 |
| 7 | Hull City | 0 | 0 |
| 8 | Leeds Utd | 0 | 0 |
| 9 | Luton Town | 0 | 0 |
| 10 | Middlesbro | 0 | 0 |
| 11 | Millwall | 0 | 0 |
| 12 | Norwich City | 0 | 0 |
| 13 | Oxford Utd | 0 | 0 |
| 14 | Plymouth | 0 | 0 |
| 15 | Portsmouth | 0 | 0 |
| 16 | Preston | 0 | 0 |
| 17 | QPR | 0 | 0 |
| 18 | Sheffield W | 0 | 0 |
| 19 | Stoke City | 0 | 0 |
| 20 | Sunderland | 0 | 0 |
| 21 | Swansea City | 0 | 0 |
| 22 | Watford | 0 | 0 |
| 23 | West Brom | 0 | 0 |
| 24 | Sheffield Utd | 0 | -2 |
