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[Matt_B]

A lot of what he said about CBB... Slight exaggeration on my part but the point still stands...

The only slight difference is that when Nuge is telling these people to **** off he is doing in a general tweet, the people that are abusing the players and their wives (that is the one that really sickened me) they are including them in the tweet to make sure they read it. It's very attention seeking as well. "Look at me, I'm going to slag you off, read it and react!".

 

[Mawsley]

Now Mr Nugent is a grown up and is perfectly entitled to use expletives as he wishes, but as an aforementioned role model, should he??...

Role model? Did he appoint himself to this position? Why should he act differently from any other person simply because he kicks a ball about and gets overpaid for it?

 

[SJN-Fox]

Role model? Did he appoint himself to this position? Why should he act differently from any other person simply because he kicks a ball about and gets overpaid for it?

No he accepted the job of professional football player thereby hoisting himself into the public eye and becoming a person that children look up to. It goes with the job, like it or not!

 

[Profondo Rosso]

No he accepted the job of professional football player thereby hoisting himself into the public eye and becoming a person that children look up to. It goes with the job, like it or not!

I'm with Mawsley on this one. He's not deliberately gone out of his way to to be being famous. All he's doing is his job, which is to play football and I'm sure there's much more to his life than football, just like there's much more to all our lives than our job. I think some people seem to think being a professional footballer is more than just a job or even a paid hobby, but that's all it is ultimately, it's not a responsibility to behave as a role model or anything like that imo. I bet a lot of professional footballers only define themselves by their job as much as your average office worker does theirs (and so they should).

 

[Mike - True Blue Tinter]

A lot of what he said about CBB... Slight exaggeration on my part but the point still stands...

Never let the facts get in the way of your opinion! :icon_wink

 

[SwedeFox]

David Nugent, that's our main striker, arguing with a 16 year old on Twitter:
"shut it ginger pubes! Or have u hit that stage yet! Have your balls dropped yet! get to bed! Past your bed time little boy"

He must lead a terribly boring life.

 

[Mike - True Blue Tinter]

I'm with Mawsley on this one. He's not deliberately gone out of his way to to be being famous. All he's doing is his job, which is to play football and I'm sure there's much more to his life than football, just like there's much more to all our lives than our job. I think some people seem to think being a professional footballer is more than just a job or even a paid hobby, but that's all it is ultimately, it's not a responsibility to behave as a role model or anything like that imo. I bet a lot of professional footballers only defeine themselves by their job as much as your average office worker does (and so they should).

The guy who mows the pitch has a job in football but it is not the same. Professional footballers can only get high wages because they provide entertainment which Sky sell for a high price. As a result of watching the likes of Van Persi and Rooney, kids who play football aspire to becoming professionals and have all the trappings of wealth and a glamorous lifestyle. They also imitate those they see - looks (hairstyles and clothes), and behaviour - Bend it like Beckham and Rumble like Rooney!

 

[Mawsley]

No he accepted the job of professional football player thereby hoisting himself into the public eye and becoming a person that children look up to. It goes with the job, like it or not!

No it doesn't - people who have no ability to control their actions or think for themselves may say it does but that doesn't make it so.

If your child holds someone as vapid as a football player up as a role model then you ought to have read to them more when they were little and talked to them about genuinely admirable people. Me? I like to think I've encouraged my kids to think for themselves...and, more importantly, ignore stuff they think is trite and pointless like the ramblings of a sports personality or a semi-clad tart in the paper.

 

[GazLCFC]

I'm with Mawsley on this one. He's not deliberately gone out of his way to to be being famous. All he's doing is his job, which is to play football and I'm sure there's much more to his life than football, just like there's much more to all our lives than our job. I think some people seem to think being a professional footballer is more than just a job or even a paid hobby, but that's all it is ultimately, it's not a responsibility to behave as a role model or anything like that imo. I bet a lot of professional footballers only define themselves by their job as much as your average office worker does theirs (and so they should).

Try explaining to a young lad. These are people that youngsters want to be like, they have little choice but to be a role model.

 

[Matt_B]

No it doesn't - people who have no ability to control their actions or think for themselves may say it does but that doesn't make it so.

If your child holds someone as vapid as a football player up as a role model then you ought to have read to them more when they were little and talked to them about genuinely admirable people. Me? I like to think I've encouraged my kids to think for themselves...and, more importantly, ignore stuff they think is trite and pointless like the ramblings of a sports personality or a semi-clad tart in the paper.

I'm raising mine in the religion of Jodie Marsh, I think she'll be right.

 

[Profondo Rosso]

The guy who mows the pitch has a job in football but it is not the same. Professional footballers can only get high wages because they provide entertainment which Sky sell for a high price. As a result of watching the likes of Van Persi and Rooney, kids who play football aspire to becoming professionals and have all the trappings of wealth and a glamorous lifestyle. They also imitate those they see - looks (hairstyles and clothes), and behaviour - Bend it like Beckham and Rumble like Rooney!

IMO this is just a sad indictment of celebrity culture than anything. Footballers absolutely should feel under no pressure to be a role model or put on some false facade of what they're not off the pitch. Who care if people copy their fashion sense? That has nothing to do with what they should be like as people. In school, plenty of children and teenagers copy their friends' fashion styles, it doesn't mean that friend has to act in a responsible way.

Footballers are there to put on entertainment for 90 minutes, much like a live theatre actor is, or a darts player is, or a musician playing a gig/concert/whatever is or like any live form of art/entertainment is the fact that the media and fans build up this persona about them is nothing to do with them. That's their job, along with the training, which is all building up to the performance, what they do outside of that is nobodies business but their own and they shouldn't have to play up to the general public any more than your local theatre actor at your local theatre should do. Why should footballers be any different just because their form of entertainment gets a wider audience?

 

[Mawsley]

Try explaining to a young lad. These are people that youngsters want to be like, they have little choice but to be a role model.

Then they're in for a lifetime of disappointment - they may as well seek moral guidance from a politician.

 

[Profondo Rosso]

Try explaining to a young lad. These are people that youngsters want to be like, they have little choice but to be a role model.

I get what you're saying, but the problem is the celebrity culture, not the players. The players shouldn't have to play up for that, they are simply performers, like many other forms of art/entertainment. They shouldn't have to play up to anything that no one else doesn't have to outside of their job (and no one should, not even politicians), but that's the sad state celebrity culture has formed.

Playing football is just their job, that's all it should ever be viewed as. I'm sure every footballer (or most of them anyway) has more important things to them than football. I like playing football as a hobby, if I was good enough, I'd happily get paid for it, but I'd never constantly feel I had play up to any idea of silly celebrity cultures or how the national press portrays you off the pitch, which is probably at odds at what kind of person you really are and I'd probably get annoyed as hell of people I don't know coming up to me asking me about my football, because it wouldn't be all their would be about my life.

 

[SJN-Fox]

Kids have always looked up to their heroes going back to the year dot and that has nothing to do with the idea of celebrity culture. Unfortunately, it used to be the case that he players took that seriously and behaved accordingly. Unfortunately players such as George Best and Gazza, whilst extremely gifted players became equally famous for their off the field activites as the money and celebrity status increased. Kids will always look to their idols regardless of how many hours you spend reading to them.

 

[Profondo Rosso]

Kids have always looked up to their heroes going back to the year dot and that has nothing to do with the idea of celebrity culture. Unfortunately, it used to be the case that he players took that seriously and behaved accordingly. Unfortunately players such as George Best and Gazza, whilst extremely gifted players became equally famous for their off the field activites as the money and celebrity status increased. Kids will always look to their idols regardless of how many hours you spend reading to them.

Do you think then children in the 16th century cared about what their favourite actors or playwrights were like off stage? Of course they didn't because they had no access to what they were like off stage and as they shouldn't.

The point is, it's that faults of top level footballers gets blown out of proportion and blown everywhere in the media, which it shouldn't do. Footballers' lives should not be plastered all over the paper and they should not be forced to play up to something they are not and forced to be much more immaculate than you'd expect the average person to be, through fear of the paper, or nowadays twitter, getting hold of it or whatever. They should do their jobs and then should just get on with their lives outside of their job, papers shouldn't be plastering their image everywhere, people shouldn't be over analysing and going mad because they saw Neil Danns out in a club with a woman or David Nugent swearing and making out they are role models who shouldn't do these things, because of what job they do.

 

[Matt_B]

Do you think then children in the 16th century cared about what their favourite actors or playwrights were like off stage? Of course they didn't because they had no access to what they were like off stage and as they shouldn't.

The point is, it's that faults of top level footballers gets blown out of proportion and blown everywhere in the media, which it shouldn't do. Footballers' lives should not be plastered all over the paper and they should not be forced to play up to something they are not and forced to be much more immaculate than you'd expect the average person to be, through fear of the paper, or nowadays twitter, getting hold of it or whatever. They should do their jobs and then should just get on with their lives outside of their job, papers shouldn't be plastering their image everywhere, people shouldn't be over analysing and going mad because they saw Neil Danns out in a club with a woman or David Nugent swearing and making out they are role models who shouldn't do these things, because of what job they do.

It's a sad indictment of society that magazines like OK! and Hello! have an audience. Why anybody would care what these "celebrities" are doing in their life is beyond me and suggests a void in their own life.

 

[Leesoh]

Comparing one career with another is a little misleading. Some people hold jobs where they can quite happily dish out abuse, and know that unless they are charged with a criminal offence, there is little that can be done.

Other people have careers where they have to be more careful about what they publish on social networking sites. Their employers, or governing boards could have someone before a disciplinary panel for tweeting the wrong thing, like Michael Ball has.

For me, it's not about nosing into a pseudo-celebrity's vapid life, it's more along the lines of seeing players accepting that they need to act professionally in all aspects of their public life, and not tarnishing the names of their colleagues and their clubs. As pointed out above, social networking can be locked down to those who need to know and those who want to know, and there's nothing to stop players setting up private and public accounts.

 

[Profondo Rosso]

It's a sad indictment of society that magazines like OK! and Hello! have an audience. Why anybody would care what these "celebrities" are doing in their life is beyond me and suggests a void in their own life.

Ture.

 

[Mawsley]

Kids have always looked up to their heroes going back to the year dot and that has nothing to do with the idea of celebrity culture. Unfortunately, it used to be the case that he players took that seriously and behaved accordingly. Unfortunately players such as George Best and Gazza, whilst extremely gifted players became equally famous for their off the field activites as the money and celebrity status increased. Kids will always look to their idols regardless of how many hours you spend reading to them.

Players used to take that seriously? Bollocks.

Players have been smoking fags, taking drugs, shagging tarts and having fights since I was a kid in the 70s and probably a good deal before then...and (amazingly) I managed to not become a lecherous, stoned, alcoholic whore-monger.

If you don't like what Nugent writes then don't read it - it's that simple. If you don't like what your children are reading then discuss it with them.

If your child grows up to become a crazed, gun-toting psychopath it wasn't the fault of a computer game or a cartoon.

Society could really do with beginning to accept responsibility for its own choices.

 

[Matt_B]

Players used to take that seriously? Bollocks.

Players have been smoking fags, taking drugs, shagging tarts and having fights since I was a kid in the 70s and probably a good deal before then...and (amazingly) I managed to not become a lecherous, stoned, alcoholic whore-monger.

If you don't like what Nugent writes then don't read it - it's that simple. If you don't like what your children are reading then discuss it with them.

If your child grows up to become a crazed, gun-toting psychopath it wasn't the fault of a computer game or a cartoon.

Society could really do with beginning to accept responsibility for its own choices.

If only Macky had your upbringing.